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Let's Play A Game: Guess The Grade These Five 2019-W ATB Quarters!

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 Posted 05/02/2020  07:06 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TheInfinityPoint to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Background:
So I recently finally finished collecting all five 2019-W ATB Quarters and got them graded by NGC, and selected one quarter for each issue. What I'm curious about is what many of you think what the grade is, then in the end I will reveal the actual grades. The point of this exercise is to share some knowledge on what makes or breaks a grade. Winner (or winners) who get it all correct will get bragging rights .

Instructions:
Many of you will have different grading preferences, some will be harsher, others will be more lax. For this exercise I want everyone to grade based on NGC's grading (since, that is where they were slabbed). You may use any resource you like such as published reference photos of the design. You must grade all five coins. To best simulate being an actual grader, I will note certain marks on the coin that are dirt spots, water marks, etc. if it isn't obvious (since I can handle the coin and examine it under a light). Images were taken in conditions very similar to actual NGC graders (essentially a desk lamp), with lighting at an angle to reveal all or as many of the features on the coin's surface as possible. Viewed on this post, these images are a bit larger than the 5-6X mag loupe the real graders use, so please take that into account. Also the photos were taken in a consistent manner (light position, camera position). Finally if there are any questions feel free to ask and I will answer the best I can.

For your answers please list it in the following order:

Lowell:
American Memorial Park:
War in the Pacific:
San Antonio Missions:
River of No Return:

If I get enough responses I'll even make histograms so we can see how people graded! Good luck!


Lowell:
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American Memorial Park:
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War in the Pacific: On the reverse there are a few marks above the "T" of "THE" that is on the holder and not the coin. On obverse there are 3 pieces of lint inside the holder around Washington's neck and back of the hair. Also the mark right above his eye is some grime.
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San Antonio Missions: On the reverse there is some grime stuck to the coin below the right side of the bundle of wheat. On the obverse the black mark under "ED" of "UNITED" is just a reflection of a dust particle on the inside of the holder.
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River of No Return:
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 Posted 05/02/2020  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lowell MS66 rim nix
American Memorial Park MS64 hits in field obv and significant contact marks on steps
War in the Pacific MS65 no real issues
San Antonio Missions MS66 generous
River of No Return MS64 contact marks in rev field and rims, obv contact marks on bust and rims
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67,67,66,65,66
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66, 64, 65, 65, 65
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66,64,65,66,65
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 Posted 05/05/2020  02:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheInfinityPoint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Last call to put in your best guess as to what grade these coins actually got! I will post them as links to the NGC certification so if people still want to guess they can without seeing the answers.
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65,64,65,65,and lastly 64
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 Posted 05/11/2020  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Greasy Fingers to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
When's the reveal?
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 Posted 05/11/2020  06:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheInfinityPoint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's the reveal!

Lowell: https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/5823184-029/67/
American Memorial Park: https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/5830130-028/67/
War in the Pacific: https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/5825242-065/67/
San Antonio: https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/5838369-119/67/
River of No Return: https://www.NGCcoin.com/certlookup/5834599-027/67/

Congrats to GrapeCollects for being the closest!

The average difference of everyone's score from the "true" score is:
Lowell: -1
American Memorial Park: -2.4
War in the Pacific: -1.8
San Antonio Missions: -1.6
River of No Return: -2.2

The most interesting one is the American Memorial coin, which I felt was over-graded as well. 4/5 of you graded it MS64, while GrapeCollects got it right with MS67. The River of No Return was another one I felt might have been a little bit over-graded, but maybe no as bad as War in the Pacific. The Lowell quarter was the closest to everyone's grade here.

What do people think? Besides the grader having a better day, what is contributing to the higher "official" NGC scores?

Thanks to everyone who participated!
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 Posted 05/11/2020  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW, If the AMP is a MS67 I should send in mine immediatel! LOL

Surprised with the edge contact marks across the steps they would put it above MS65 for real.

THis encourages me to send my best examples for grading. Thanks for the reveal!
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 Posted 05/11/2020  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TheInfinityPoint to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Haha you're welcome Big-Kingdom. This exercise was also helpful for me in calibrating my attempt at grading the first two 2020 W quarters I'll be sending in soon. I think it'll be way cheaper to get really good examples through auction and then submit myself, rather than pay the couple hundred for a graded MS67. Perhaps more interestingly this means I should dial in at least a +1 grading offset from what people say here
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 Posted 05/20/2020  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add USSID18 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice results! ! I submitted 3 to ANACS that came back 67, testing my non-professional grading skills. I'm waiting for another one to come back at the moment.
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