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1997 Doubled Ear ? And

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1997-Doubled-Ear-?-And
is that dd on the legs of the n and bottom of the one and so on?

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dd on the all the letters the c,a and the others ?

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dd on all of the date extra leg on the 3,and so on ?

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you can see it on all of the letters in liberty

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is that the double ear of the 1997 ?
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909:
If there is any doubling, I can't see it.
At best, Strike Doubling.
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Your problem when photographing (and possibly viewing) the 1983 cent is more than one light source lighting up both sides of the letters. This causes an apparent doubling effect. You should concentrate on trying to use one lighting source from one direction that will cast shadows in one direction. The apparent doubling effect will go away.

My 'one direction' is light that comes from just in front of the optics at a high angle. Imagine looking through a scope...my lighting would be in front of your nose, very close to the under-lens of the scope, shining straight down as possible onto the coin. That will alleviate any lighting issues.

Nothing you've shown in this thread is anything outside a normal coin.
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909records,
I don't see anything with the 1983 but the 1997 IS the double ear variety ,i have found two and my nephew has found one .
John1

Oh yea,this is my 100th.post
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An overlay with this image proves it is not the doubled ear variety..

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All of the true DD and DDD coins that I have found I could almost always spot with the naked eye. It will appear like a blurred image or letters until you look under a microscope at it. Most coins are only Machine Doubling and I don't waste my time taking the picture of them. Just move onto the next coin increasing my odds to finding a true one. Oh here is a good example of tripled die.

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Sorry, That's not a doubled die. It's a tripled die. You see three spreads on the device. Probably the best term would have been to call it a variety as each coin from that die would make coins exactly like that. Nice find. I love the ones that even a braille reader could find.
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Coindexter, that one is very dramatic--nice! Is that a Serbian coin?
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Hi Guys,

The 1997 may or not be the doubled ear variety that we know. I don't usually do this but I might suggest that it is another die variety that is as yet unknown. OR..I might also suggest that if the coin was not flat on a surface when the picture was taken that the angle might be playing games with the picture.

And although, I don't disagree with Chuck often, The 1983 is a DDO. It is an obscure but lesser known (probably unlisted) piece.

The tail of the 3 shows a notch and separation. The lower right of the 8 is distended in shape.

On LIBERTY:

The top of the T shows a nice groove, with notches on either end.

There is a groove running down the upright of the "T" with a notch on the lower right.

There are notches on the bottom right of the legs of the "R".

There is doubling on the "B" and the E".

Most telling is the doubling on the "I" as there is a notch on the lower right and a corresponding one on the upper left. There is a nice groove down the length of the "I" as well.

I respectfully suggest that is is more than a lighting phenomenon.

Thanks,
Bill





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thank you foundinrolls
the 97 is flat and straight down pic I use a microscope camera hooked to the computer.
and the 83 looked like the one thats in cherry picker I was just not to sure about the back of the coin . whats your take on that ? is it possible to have a DDO and DDR?

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here are a few more pics of the back
thanks
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I just cant say more about the 1997 than I posted above. On the 1983, I am not convinced of anything on the reverse. The obverse is not one of the ones in the CherryPickers' Guide but it may match up to one I have here. I have a few unlisted 1983 DDO varieties in my "pile" :-) Take a close look at the IN GOD WE on your 1983 snd let me know what you see.

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heres "in god " if you look at the photos of the back you can see the same thing like the front the lines and the seperation like at the end of the r in america and on ent in cent I'm by all means no expert but it looks like the front thats why I posted it to get the "experts" input

thanks again for your help
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1997-Doubled-Ear-?-And

this is a regular 1997

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this is the one I got there is something going on there
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heres a regular 1997
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this is the one I got there is something going on there
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