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Valued Member
United States
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Came across a raw 1831 CBH on ebay that seems too perfect. I can't post the link with my IPad, but it is ebay item no. 313105399826. The strike is better than I have ever seen on a CBH. The fields are very clean. The touches of wear seem too heavy for the condition of the rest of the coin. It looks dipped, but not otherwise cleaned to me. I don't have the expertise to judge whether my concerns are warranted. So what think you, wise people? Is it a cherry or a lemon? |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I don't know nearly enough about these coins to offer up any help. I only wish I had many more in my collection.
Edited by thecoinguy1964
06/05/2020 6:28 pm
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United States
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Looks very altered in terms of color and the surfaces. Nice detail. I think what looks like wear on the obverse in her hair is just from strike weakness and not rub. But its still a details coin and i'd stay away. I am no expert so I await what others say especially regarding the hair. I think the strike is actually good for this coin.
Edited by Jon Brand
06/05/2020 6:52 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Definitely cleaned. Completely unnatural, dead look.
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Valued Member
 United States
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JB and CF
I agree. It just doesn't look right. That's why I wondered if it was genuine.
You both spotted it as cleaned, something I can have trouble with. I didn't see any hairlines or evidence of wiping, but I agree it doesn't look right. Lack of verdigris led me to think dipped and retoned. What is it that you saw?
Prior to the 1830s, striking of capped bust coins is often just awful. Many in the 30's are still pretty bad, but nice ones are not hard to find. This one seems exceptional. Full centrals on almost all stars, strong dentils, good detail elsewhere. This was a great coin before it was monkeyed with.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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Surface texture is 'pasty' looking.
That leads me to thinking that it could be high pressure die cast, in much the same way that die cast zinc toys are made.
I would really need to look at this one in hand, close examination of the edge under high powered magnification required, and also consider if XRF testing may also be needed as well.
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United States
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While  with all the above, the seller does have good feedback and takes returns for 30 days, it's not an especially expensive coin, so it might be worth getting it in hand to see for yourself. It does have a cleaned look and like sel_69l says a very through examination is advised. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Agree it looks cleaned or overdipped with some early retoning. Looks like a nice early die state strike. I don't see anything that would suggest that it's not authentic, appears to be an Overton-103.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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No slab; no interest.
At that catalog value I need it slabbed.
And I just looks unnatural.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks fishy to me, although I'm no expert on this series.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I think we have a combination of cleaning, retoning, and deceptive photography.
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United States
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It's not that good to be true . AU details cleaned .  |
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United States
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Hard pass for me! Possibly cleaned and "enhanced" photos that don't show the true condition. Price is very high too.
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