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Roman Coins Of The Second Tetrarchy And Later, 305-324

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 Posted 06/10/2020  3:17 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Earlier this year I announced an educational web page "Introduction to Roman coins of the First Tetrarchy: Diocletian, Maximian, Constantius, and Galerius."
http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/

I have added numerous pages since then, including one on the Second Tetrarchy:
http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/Second.html
and another on the following coins until the sole reign of Constantine in 324:
http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarc...06to324.html

I love the coins of this period and I now have so many pages on them that I am announcing a page of links to them:
http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/extra.html
so you can bookmark just that one and get to all the others.

Just so there is coin pictured in this thread, here is a rare type of Severus II as Caesar during the Second Tetrarchy:

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Severus II as Caesar.
27 mm.
FL VAL SEVERVS NOB CAES
(FLavius VALerius SEVERVS NOBle CAESar)
PERPETVITAS AVGG, Roma, helmeted, seated left on throne with back, holding Victory on globe in right and long vertical scepter in left, shield resting on the ground at her side.
S B
P
ALE in exergue.
RIC Alexandria 56.

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I had hoped to expand my reverse types last weekend by bidding on a FORTVNA REDVCI of Maximianus (1st tetrarchy) but I was astounded when it sold for 445£ plus premium !
Ouch
Fortunately I found another auction that day that had two misattributed Constantius folles
(listed as Caesar)

Ticinum 26mm 7.4 grams
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Heraklea 27mm 9.6 grams
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I would really have preferred snagging the Fortuna
But for the money (74£ plus)
More the happier I !
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As always very impressive work.
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I had hoped to expand my reverse types last weekend by bidding on a FORTVNA REDVCI of Maximianus (1st tetrarchy) but I was astounded when it sold for 445£


I can't tell you why the winning bidder bid so high for sure, but that coin was different from the normal type because Fortuna was holding a patera instead of a rudder and her headdress was unusual. It looked more like Genio than Fortuna.
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Certainly a novel depiction of Fortuna
As you noticed ( and I didn't ! )
A patera and
Turreted ? That is unusual
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Is this the same Obverse die as the Constantius as Augustus from above?

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If so then I am worried about the authenticity of that coin
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Different as it is 'big' Max
A rather ordinary Trier (style) bare bust right portrait
Every indication seeming to indicate that it is genuine
But
With modern advances in deception becoming so troublesome .......


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 Posted 06/11/2020  10:12 am  Show Profile   Check Victor's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Victor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Martin is talking about these two; which do look like matches.


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They most certainly do !
And by the grace of Fortuna .......
Not yet paid for !
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@augustus1.....Great work!...I use your pages all the time when deciphering max/val/gal coins..
Easy to use and always comes up trumps so thanks...

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Really impressive work!

Here is a Severus II from Lugdunum (1st officina), a nummus/follis, 10.9 g, 305-06:
FLavius VALerius SEVERVS NOBilissimus Cæsar / GENIO POP-VLI ROMANI

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Good to see more coins posted
I have more than a few to chose from but I picked 3 of my favorites
During the second tetrarchy weights began their inevitable decline over the following decades
I try to make my purchases based on 'looks' and take into consideration weight
These 3 (all GENIO POPVLI ROMANI) made the grade !

Billon Follis Lugdunum
IMP CONSTANTIVS AVG
28mm 10.29grams
AD 305-6

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Billon Follis London
SEVERVS NOBILISSIMVS CAESAR
27-30mm 10.38 grams
AD 305-6

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Lastly representing the 3rd Tetrarchy
(and still my reigning weight champion !)

Billon Follis Heraklea
FL VAL CONSTANTINVS NOB CAES
28-9mm 12.41 grams
AD 306-7

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The last one a bit weak on the 'good looks' side
But sometimes size really does matter !
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here's a Maximinus II I just won


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Maximinus II
A.D. 308
26mm 6.1g
GAL VAL MAXIMINVS NOB CAES; laureate head right.
VIRTVS MILITVM; camp-gate with portcullis surmounted by four turrets.
In ex. MKΓ
RIC VI Cyzicus 40
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That is a very interesting one of Maximinus II
In AD 308 Max got demoted back to Caesar at the Conference of Carnuntum by Diocletian who also forced
Maximianus to retired for the second time !
No mean feat that !
It left a lot of hurt feelings and didn't last very long
This issue must be quite rare
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An amazingly detailed resource, and the single link makes it so easy to access the data. Many thanks for making this huge effort available to all.

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What a beautiful and large camp-gate!
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