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1911 King George V Uniface Lead Trial Strike

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Picked this piece up about 4 months ago, the seller says it's Canadian trial strike, it was in a group of other lead trial Canadian and this was the last piece. Wasn't too helpful with other info, piece is XRF as pure lead, looks like 1911 gold sovereign without the date. Seen some lead tokens on Heritage, any info would be cool
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I'd be skeptical of that claim.
Are there designer initials on the truncation of the bust?
It does not look like any Mackennal portrait and unlikely a trial piece would be struck without an authorised portrait.
I doubt that the mint received from London any portraits to work with other than the two by Mackennal which the King had approved.
The sovereign was in use pretty much world wide, was legal tender in a number of countries including Canada, and was minted in a few different countries.
Why would anyone consider a separate Canadian minted design?
It is highly unlikely that any major change in design would be contemplated.
An almost universally recognized and accepted coin.
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I agree with DBM. The portrait is not close to the one approved by the King. It also looks like an Ultra High Relief, again very unlikely that it would be used for coinage but maybe for a medal issue.
I am not aware of any medals from 1911 with that look.
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looks more like a dragon slayer sovereign (engraver's initials on the reverse which is still missing on this "trial strike") than a Canadian strike.

perhaps the engraver doesn't "sign" his/her work until approved/goes into production?

http://www.cruzis-coins.com/sovs/1911l.html

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Also you are partly correct but missing a KEY ingredient. When you say the trial strike is pure lead this is highly unlikely. Trial strikes currently owning several in my collection are normally high in lead (i.e., >95% Pb) but are then alloyed with a hardening element such as copper or antimony the two more commonly found - if you will -- hardening agents to this alloy of high lead. Its important to find this additive as it will aid in providing the authenticity to this item - although few experts are aware of this criteria. Looks good ... IMO.

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Last week at the coin store with the first XRF, most of the employees were , never seen such an item and the person who did the XRF just said it's pure lead. Today round two XRF 99.92 lead, .016 copper, .180 silver, .023 rhodium, .019 palladium, .041 platinum and the edges looks like they have been nipped off, no collar, any info thanks in advance.
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It could be for a coronation token from any of the Commonwealth countries. Cities, towns, any company could make the tokens without official consent.
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