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Pillar of the Community
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This is graded VF-30, which I think is likely spot on. But I suspect it's also been dipped with some modest retoning around the rims. Opinions? Given the grade the price is quite good - and this is a scarce coin which I've been looking out for for some time now. But I'm a little allergic to coins that have been dipped.   |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Pics are too dark to get a good feel for a possible cleaning/dipping.
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Pillar of the Community
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The originals are no better. But it's very lightly toned - and the toning is mostly confined to the peripheral areas (I think you can sort of see that).
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I agree with frog, can't say for certain on whether or not it's been dipped. Do be cautious, every TPG has there short comings when grading this series, ICCSs' being they often let don't peg details coins. |
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yes for sure - this is why the hesitation. I've been looking for an 1880 10c for a while now - hard to find anything much above VG. But then, buy the coin, not the holder as they say. I'll ask the guy for some better pics.
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Pillar of the Community
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Good idea, I've seen examples as well of the TPGs nailing the grade, and under grading as well, but I really only have 1 or 2 example from each when it comes to Newfoundland coins.
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looks like a nice coin. Possibly dipped. Eye appeal for sure and a very tough date.
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Pillar of the Community
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Let's be clear here...do you mean dipped or cleaned/polished? I have never seen an ICCS flip with 'dipped' on the card, only cleaned or polished. PCGS does not consider 'dipped' coins to have been cleaned, and therefore they won't get a details designation. https://www.PCGS.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt4For what it's worth, yes the OP's coin has been cleaned/polished/dipped at some point over the past 140 years, as it's impossible for a silver coin to be around that long without toning/tarnishing... |
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@johnnysprawl -
Dipping in acetone and/or distilled water to remove loosely bound surface crud is considered legit by many people (though I don't do it myself). But there are other chemical approaches, particularly using redox-active cleaning agents, that eat away at the surface of a coin. That is most def not legit.
ICCS and PCGS do not indicate that a coin they've graded has been dipped, that is correct. But if they detect a modified surface then they will put the coin in a body bag, ungraded, and send it back to you. I have had that experience with ICCS and I know people who have had it with PCGS.
My take is that a coin that has all the little dings and scratches that come from transit through 10,000 pockets but that has an artificial gleam as though it was minted yesterday is unattractive. It just looks fake. In this case, I suspect dipping but not a particularly harsh dipping so maybe it's okay - though it would reduce the amount I'd be willing to spend. As I say, this is a nice example of a rare coin. My concern started with the fact that ICCS has a pretty high fail-rate at detecting some defects even though they do consider them to be defects.
I've asked for some better photos....we shall see!
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Which is exactly what it says on the link you provided:
""Dipping" (the removal of toning with a chemical bath) is not considered cleaning under this definition, unless it has been done repeatedly or improperly. In the past, many coins were cleaned by well-meaning numismatists, before the dangers were fully understood."
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Pillar of the Community
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 Almost all Victorian silver coins have been either dipped or lacquered in the past. PS see my signature "Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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Pillar of the Community
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Perhaps it would have more toning if it hadn't been dipped, but really, considering the rarity of such a coin in this grade, I don't think it having been dipped a hundred years ago makes any difference. At this time the surfaces don't seem to be affected by an old cleaning and it will continue to tone as the years progress.
I'd be happy to put this one in my collection!
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@The Deductable - yes, agreed. I actually bought it - was staring at it for the 10,000th time and thought 'what's the problem here?' and just went for it. Price was pretty good given how rare that one is.
Next stop is the 1870 NFLD 10c....I'm finding decent ones hard to find: they're either bent, missing numerals and letters or just look crappy. Or they're stratospherically expensive....
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