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How Can We Increase Circulation Of The $50

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P.S. This probably should be in a different forum.
Correct. I meant to move it the first and second times I posted yesterday and forgot both times.


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Simplify. No penny, no 50 cent coin, no $1 bills, no $50 bills. Nobody would notice.
I have to agree.
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There is a currency reset (revaluation) coming. Who knows what the currency will look like after that happens.
I have seen that suggestion for years now. I do not see it ever happening like it did in Mexico or France, but we can make a virtual change...

Eliminate the cent, nickel, and everything below the ten dollar bill. Add a two and five dollar coin to the mix.

The dime is our new cent, the half dollar the new nickel, the dollar coin is our new dime, the new two dollar coin is (roughly) the new quarter, the new five dollar coin is the new half dollar, and the ten dollar bill is the new "single."

As for spending power, this brings the coin vs. note use in line with what it was around 1950.

Oh, feel free to shrink that half dollar if it makes you feel better.
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I can understand someone who specifically likes 50s to collect (or whatever) taking the time to consider this. But at present I don't understand specifically why it matters at all (that is not a negative comment or question)?
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I like cash, too. Use it every chance I get. But, as mentioned earlier, in the past few weeks it's been hit/miss. I went to a store the other day for a Coke and paid with cash. They had no change whatsoever and so I picked up my $1.22 Coke for $1. That can go on very long. (I gave them 22 cents the next time I was in.)

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Does anybody really want to listen to music on wax cylinders? on 8-tracks?


Point taken. I have no wax cylinders, but I still enjoy listening to my 8-tracks / cassettes CDs / especially vinyl LPs. Old school and proud of it!
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I love collecting $50 notes, especially the $50 replacement notes. With that being said, I hate it when I've been given a stack of money to count with a rando $50 note mixed in with mostly $20s or $100s. It just messes up the counting process...it doesn't play well with the other denominations.
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Most of the banknotes produced are for replacing worn notes, but every year there is a net increase in most denominations

Net increase in millions of notes FY 2018-2019
300 $1
100 $2
100 $5
80 $10
100 $20
62 $50
812 $100

The problem is that the $100 banknote has more bills in circulation than the $20 or the $1 banknote. Mostly because the $100 banknote circulates overseas, when a new series and especially a new design is released, people are clamoring to replace the old notes with the new notes.


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I can understand someone who specifically likes 50s to collect (or whatever) taking the time to consider this. But at present I don't understand specifically why it matters at all (that is not a negative comment or question)?


When the Bureau of Engraving and Printing began producing the first color $100 banknote in February of 2010 they made 1.44 billion notes in the first 20 months to replace the 6.56 billion $100 notes in circulation at the end of September 2009. The new color notes had massive problems with cracks in the design when the bill was folded. The new color notes were not issued to the public until October 8, 2013.

There is now so much reliance on the US $100 banknote in world finance that efficiently replacing them almost all at once is becoming a logistics challenge. Circulation is up to 14.25 billion $100 notes as of the end of 2019. Probably only the Chinese RMB100 has more banknotes in circulation, and they only circulate in China and is only worth $14.28

We need another denomination to circulate around the world and take some of the pressure off the $100 banknote. There are only two choices: (1) increase circulation of the $50 banknote, or (2) join the Euro-Area and Switzerland in producing a $200 banknote
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I like to use cash (and I'm only a few months older than jBuck) for various reasons including the price break you get. I pay cash for car repairs, any professional service that I need in my home and for jewelry, coins and/or other high end items that I can save by paying cash. Cash is good when you want no trail of where you are spending it.

Now on to music, MP3 are ok, but honestly once you go FLAC there is no comparison. No matter what music sounds tinny until you turn on the stereo :)

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And there is no way tiny air buds can compete with a 12" 300 WATT powered sub that has a Kevlar woofer and can go down to 23 HZ.

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While a CD/Flac may sound clearer, I still get vinyl when I want to listen to music the way the artist intended.
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If you want to increase the usage of $50, its really simple go to the bank and get them and use them. I've never had any one refuse a $50, but I also only use cash when there is an advantage. There is no advantage to use it at Home Depot or the supermarket or at the gap.

I get $100 in $2 bills about every other month and I use them as tips. People really like to get $2 bills.
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US Populaton ~ 1/3 billion people
$2: 1.3 billion notes
$50: 1.8 billion notes
$10: 2.1 billion notes
$5: 3.2 billion notes
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It does seem ridiculous that there are only slightly more than five $50 banknotes in circulation per individual. You could terminate the denomination, and almost nobody would notice. However, I am not campaigning for people to go to the bank and make a withdrawal in one of the little-used denominations.

I am saying that in a normal year the FED orders roughly 1.5 billion $100 banknotes. The exception was in 2012-2013 when the BEP produced 3.03 + 4.43 billion color $100 banknotes. This was to replace most of the 8.6 billion $100 non-color notes in circulation at the end of 2012.

This requirement for a mass production of $100 banknotes is only going to get worse and worse. We should have over 20 billion $100 notes in circulation in about 7 years. There could be huge riots and demonstrations around the world if people can't change out their old $100 banknotes for new ones quickly enough. Plus there are production issues in printing $100 banknotes with more and more security features. Now the Swiss have a beautiful 1000CHF banknote with many more security features than the USD$100 banknote, but they are circulating less than 50 million notes. It doesn't matter that their production costs per note are five times as much as the USD$100.

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What we need is a $50 banknote that circulates in quantities in the range of 10-20 billion around the world. At the same time, the banknote should be designed to reflect that the USD is defacto a world currency. Instead, we have a banknote honoring a US President who died 125 years ago that circulates in paltry quantities.
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$50 and $100 Aussie banknotes are the money I normally use to get on with my life.
Just a week ago, I paid $7,100 in cash for some house renovations.

I have always paid cash for everything throughout all of my life. That includes payment of utility bills at the Post Office.
I have used a debit card for emergency purposes on two occasions only in the last year.

If the banks temporarily shut down for a few months, I can survive without much of a problem. Some may not get paid in cash until such times as until the banks open again, and that would include utility companies.
If I run out of cash to pay for the maintenance and running of my car, I would be happy to walk everywhere, everything is close, and I would need the exercise anyway.

By the way, I just love those green 50 Francs Swiss Banknotes! I was in Switzerland a couple of years ago, and I had quite a stash of them for my normal daily living. Cash budgeting works just fine for me.
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Thanks for the explanation.

Those 1000CHF notes are beautiful, but I admit (and probably just from being around it all my life), I like currency which honors important people of a country. I really used to like Canadian notes when they had their monarch(s) on them. I think that although the older designs were not always as colorful as modern designs, the bills looked more regal - almost, in my mind, giving them a "look and feel" of value vs. being just a pretty piece of artwork. Just preference though.


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At the same time, the banknote should be designed to reflect that the USD is defacto a world currency. Instead, we have a banknote honoring a US President who died 125 years ago that circulates in paltry quantities.

I may be mistaken b/c I have never even had thoughts concerning this. But every time I have been abroad (its been awhile now) the US Greenback was readily recognized and desired for what it is. I may be mistaken, but I think the present design is relevant showcasing to the world one of the many great men that were a part of the amazing history behind the US (and its history of generosity in sharing its propserity and the lives of our own sons).

Gobalism has been proven a very bad idea economically since it makes countries so dependent on others that when there is a major crisis, the lack of independence cripples a country. I personally, and its just an opinion, like the idea better of keeping a direct tie into American pasty history on our money as its already recognized as the de facto world currency. Our money has achieved that status so a new design would not do much but be a new design. IMO the design needs to keep being directly tied into our history...especially in these days when our history is being rewritten and demonized right here on our own shores. When the past is forgotten, we repeat its mistakes.

Another point is that I have to wonder if the world would WANT to use the 50s? The 100 is a convenient denomination bill for world usage. I may be mistaken, but I think people would rather use 1 bill in the place of 2. I don't ever have enough of them at one time to worry about it personally.

Interesting idea in this thread!
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The €50 denomination banknote is heavily favored in the Euro area. Out of 24.9 billion banknotes in circulation, 11.7 billion are in the €50 denomination. Only 4.26 billion are in the €20 denomination. The €50 denomination is 43.4% of total cash by value and 47.2% by quantity of bills. If you go to an ATM in Europe you expect to get €50 bills.

On 4 April 2017 a new series of €50 banknotes was issued by the ECB, but 46% of the old series €50 notes are still in circulation after 3 years and 1 month. There is no fear that the old notes are counterfeit, just as there is no fear that old designs of the US$20 banknote is counterfeit.

While the Euro doesn't circulate outside of its home area to the same extent as the USD, it still has extensive circulation in Africa and Asia. I presume that all denominations above €20 circulate, while the only USD denomination in wide circulation internationally is $100.

The ECB had to produce 11 billion banknotes in 2009, probably because the trust in banks at that time period was at an all-time low since 2002. The BEP in the US had to produce over 11 billion notes only once, in fiscal year 1999, because of Y2K mania, but 31% were the $1 bill which has not changed since 1963. Big-headed monochrome $100 banknotes were produced from 1 Oct, 1995 until 31 May, 2010, but averaged far less than 1 billion per year.

The BEP produced some new color $100 banknotes in fiscal year 2010, but they had such terrible problem with creasing that they had to go back to the monochrome notes in fiscal year 2011 where they produced a mere 0.7232 billion notes of the old pure green design.

The production of 4.6368 billion color $100 banknotes in 2012 to 2013 was a huge task, but on the heels of such a spectacular failure, there was a fear of issuing the new notes until there was a huge supply.

I don't think you are giving proper consideration as to what it will entail replacing the current $100 banknote design. There are currently over 14 billion in circulation, and it looks like there will be at least 20 billion by the time the design needs to be replaced. The current design has been in circulation for a little less than seven years, and the nominal replacement period for US currency is a decade.

It will be a lot less stressful if there is another note that can assist through the replacement period. With the cumulative value of the circulating $20 and $50 denomination being 13.4% and 6.5% of the value of circulating $100 banknotes they are insufficient for this task.

As far as the USD as international currency there is effectively only the $100 bill.

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I may be mistaken b/c I have never even had thoughts concerning this. But every time I have been abroad (it's been a while now) the US Greenback was readily recognized and desired for what it is. I may be mistaken, but I think the present design is relevant showcasing to the world one of the many great men that were a part of the amazing history behind the US (and its history of generosity in sharing its prosperity and the lives of our own sons).

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Strictly speaking you are absolutely correct. There would be a huge market for a plain old patriotic US$500 banknote with an American President.

However as McKinley is more or less forgotten POTUS, the portrait of Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Delanor Roosevelt, or possibly Ronald Reagan would be more appropriate.

A $500 banknote would certainly take the pressure off the number of $100 banknotes that will have to be produced for the replacement series. But the ECB deleted the €500 banknote from the new series in a claimed effort to impede money laundering. Canada also discontinued their CAD$1000 banknote back in the year 2000. It would be very difficult for the US to introduce a $500 banknote in light of these measures.
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And there is no way tiny air buds can compete with a 12" 300 WATT powered sub that has a Kevlar woofer and can go down to 23 HZ.
My Tannoy is only ten inches and half the power.


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I've never had any one refuse a $50
I agree. The 50 is easy to spend, just as easy as the 20. However, around here, for some reason, the 100 is typically no-go unless the total is well over $100. I can break a 50 on a ten dollar lunch tab, but get evil looks trying to use 100 to pay for a 70 dollar family dinner. This only fueled my preference to plastic.
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Forget about ever seeing a $500 US note anytime soon.
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