2008 P Nickel, Possible Doubled Die Obverse / DDO ?

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Grelko Valued Member United States 232 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 1:03 pm It's probably just MD or Die Deterioration (on only 1 side of the devices), but no harm in checking right? Either way, it looks pretty interesting. Too bad there's 2 big half circle scratches on the obverse. I found it in a coin roll yesterday. The glare from the light, is on the left side of the coin. Once I turned the lamp off, in the last few pictures, the glare shows up as a brighter red color from the overhead lights and TV when the cellphone camera flash went off. It looks doubled along BERTY and right side of the L in Liberty, the top of the P mintmark, the top of the Date and inside both of the 00's. Edited by Grelko 08/13/2020 1:09 pm Report this Post to the Staff

CentSearcher Valued Member United States 103 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 1:58 pm DDD. Report this Post to the Staff
Grelko Valued Member United States 232 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 2:22 pm Haha, yeah that's what I figured it would be. Anyway, here's another picture for you to check out. Edited by Grelko 08/13/2020 2:27 pm Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 2:36 pm Looks like MD and or DDD. The scratches are from a coin counting/wrapping/vending machine damage. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Grelko Valued Member United States 232 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 3:31 pm I have a question though. In the last picture I posted, if everything shifted a tiny bit more to the left (for example, BERTY in Liberty, especially the Y), then it would show two completely separate devices, but still be considered MD or DDD? Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 4:51 pm It would still not be a DDO. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 5:54 pm First coin is coin wrapper damage on the obverse. Face value on all of them. Not a doubled die. On a doubled die the devices will be enlarged, not reduced: Report this Post to the Staff
Grelko Valued Member United States 232 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 6:13 pm Ahh I see. My coin "looks" doubled, but if I turn it on its side, the small areas that look doubled are almost flat against the coin. On an actual double die coin, when turned on its side, the doubled devices would be the same height coming off the coin as the actual device itself. Same as it shows in your first picture of the word TRUST. Is that correct? Edited by Grelko 08/13/2020 6:15 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Earle42 Bedrock of the Community United States 10038 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 6:18 pm Quote: I have a question though. In the last picture I posted, if everything shifted a tiny bit more to the left (for example, BERTY in Liberty, especially the Y), then it would show two completely separate devices, but still be considered MD or DDD? A doubled die coin is made from a die that had the image/device engraved twice on it and therefore you have a double image on the coin (sometimes the images overlap and are noted just as extra thickness). Therefore the degree of MD or DDO cannot somehow "make" a coin into a doubled die. DDD is from the die wearing out with use. Remember the die is matal which moves, under high pressures, metal to conform to the design of the die - hence the die deteriorates after time. MD is when the die striking the planchet is loose and therefore "bounces" upon the strike. A doubled looking device results where the "doubling" is a somewhat smeared out shelf-like area that people mistake as an actual doubling. How much squash could a Sasquatch squash if a Sasquatch would squash squash? Download and read: Grading the graders Costly TPG ineptitude and No FG Kennedy halves https://ln5.sync.com/dl/7ca91bdd0/w...i3b-rbj9fir2 Report this Post to the Staff
coop Bedrock of the Community United States 62064 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 6:42 pm There are 9 different classes of doubled dies. So the spread can be different from class to class. http://goccf.com/t/363026 The above thread will help you to identify the different die classes. But a doubled die is created on the die. The hub process to create the die could be slightly out of rotation between the hub processes, higher or lower out of alignment, warped hub issues, used a different hub that was fresher/older causing miss alignment. But it not an issue of being higher, just wider and taller/wider from normal. On the last class 9 doubled dies, they are single squeeze dies. So the hub is started to create a new die and because of miss alignment, the kiss happens and they it snaps into the correct position. Thus the centers of the die can be affected on these. Sometimes they are hub a second time (which is not supposed to happen) and it creates a doubled die like the older style multi-hub dies. Of on the doubled die you will see a spread on the older setup dies and on the single squeeze dies, the device will be larger, but distorted. They look like a bicycle tire that has too much air in them. So it the normal devices are affected by Machine Doubling, they are reduced in size on the outside edges of the devices. On a doubled die, the devices will be enlarged. Edited by coop 08/13/2020 6:43 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Grelko Valued Member United States 232 Posts	Posted 08/13/2020 7:33 pm Thank you everyone for the pictures, information and links. I was literally trying to find coins that looked almost exactly like the 1955 Lincoln Cent this whole time. I saw my 2008 P Nickel earlier and thought that it looked like the 1955 cent and that's why I posted it. Seeing that there's so many different types of Double Die, it makes me wonder how many coins I've tossed back into circulation over the years that really were DDO / DDR. I will get the hang of this eventually, now that I finally know what to look for. Report this Post to the Staff
merclover Bedrock of the Community United States 10635 Posts	Posted 08/14/2020 02:20 am Not every coin is an error coin. Machine Doubling is fairly common, thus, no premium. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 08/14/2020 04:56 am Grelko, Here is a link to the 9 classes of doubled dies http://errorvariety.com/ John1 Report this Post to the Staff
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2008 P Nickel, Possible DDO?