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2017-P LMC Obv-- Tear Drop Below Eye And Double Ear Lobe!

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Take a look. Possible die chip causing the tear drop? Is the doubled earlobe a doubled die?
Thanks in advance for your comments.

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Crickets!? Lots of you have viewed this, but no responses. Come on PIllars and long standing community members, please share your opinions.

So here are 3 more pics with less lighting and glare. The first shows the double ear lobe. The next two provide different views of the spot in the eye, and the "tear" below. Looking forward to comments.
Thanks!

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08/30/2020 1:14 pm
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to the CCF! I am sorry but from the pics provided I see a normal cent.
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Jim0815, maybe a need a better digital camera. I am using a Plugable USB 2.0 Digital. Any suggestions?
But, even with these pics, there is clearly a tear like image below the eye, and a double earlobe.
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I think it's your lighting. From the picture of the whole coin it looks normal. If you put a tissue or filter over the light source then you will see less of what you are seeing.
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Is that a hair on the cheek on image #5?
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Rich---Must be a thread from the cotton gloves I wear when handling coins. Sorry about that. Aside from the thread, what is your opinion about this penny?
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Opinion? A normal 2017 P Lincoln Shield cent.
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I am a new member, and I am stunned about the reaction to this posting. Can I get some opinions from anyone else besides Jim0815--who either has failing eyesight or just does not want to help figure out what is the cause of the glaring errors in this coin. There is obviously a second earlobe--that's not what you see on the usual Lincoln Penny. And there is obviously some phenomena that has resulted in the tear image--that's also not what you see on the usual Lincoln Penny. What say the rest of you folks?
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If it was a DDO and with that much rotation I would assume to see some doubling also on the devices (date or liberty). Have you tried reducing your light with a coffee filter or sheet of paper? Third photo with ear...sorry I'm
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Your pictures really don't allow anyone to make a thorough guess about what's on the coin. I see both the "tear" and the earlobe issue, at least on some of the pictures, but on others I don't. For instance, the earlobe issue is visible on picture 3, but not on picture 4. Why?

That inconsistency raises questions about the possibility it's a just lighting effect, or that it's something else amplified by the lighting, rather than doubling.

I have the same scope/camera set up that you're using. Have you changed the settings to max resolution? Are you using a stand to hold the scope perfectly still? Played with the light adjustments? I know that scope can produce better pictures.

Even if someone wanted to agree with you about the earlobe being doubled, it's unlikely they would do so on the basis of two rather grainy, slightly out of focus and poorly lit photos.

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i agree, more diffused light might help.

I guess my eyesight has deteriorated as well, I'm not seeing any special issues with your coin. Keep searching!


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Thanks Greasy Fingers, HGK3 and merclover. I appreciate the constructive criticism/suggestions about the photos (i just got the digital scope a week ago and am still learning how to use it properly). On pic 3 I tried to focus only on the earlobe, while on 4 and 5 I was only trying to focus only on the tear, so that's the explanation for that question.
I just re-examined the coin and realized that there is doubling on the nose also. I will attempt to make the resolution modification and use different lighting for additional photos and will post them tomorrow.
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mb560600To CCF: I am seeing a Doubled Ear Lobe and the Eye looks like Machine Doubling. You need to get much sharper/clear photos. Don't worry about the eye focus on the ear.
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The only glaring errors on this cent is the glare from your camera. I am pulling for you to have what you say you have. Your pics are not proof of that. There is but one solution to this, send it off for attribution to either John Wexler or James Wiles. After you get your cent back then post the results. Remember, I truly am pulling for you.
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I took the liberty of editing three of your photos that show the ear area. The first pic shows lighting trickery that makes is appear to be doubled.
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This photo of your cent shows an absolutely normal ear.
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This picture of your cent if it were doubled would clearly show the doubling distortion if it were truly doubled.
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Here's what I tell people , if you have a coin dealer , or a coin club ,or coin show near you take it in hand and show them. if you have something they will tell you or try to buy it good luck,and happy hunting
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