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Coin Prices During Recessions

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Hi,

New to collecting. Curious to know what happens to coin prices during a recession. Have coins historically gotten cheaper during a recession or more expensive? I know past performance is no guarantee of future performance.

Thanks
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Cheaper.

People need spending money more than they need the coins. It becomes a buyers market.

Somewhat related, back in 2008 people starting cashing in their coin jars. This reduced demand from the mint with 2009 having lower mintages.
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Numismatic values are very loosely linked to the fine arts market and bullion markets.

As such, in a deep recession, most people will put their faith in other things than fiat money investments. Nevertheless, cash is king when you need it. Get the balance right.

The bullion market, and particular gold, is seen as a hedge against inflation which will very surely be with us in 2 or 3 years' time, as the World needs to pay off it's debts with inflated fiat money.
I paid off my mortgage in a high inflationary period when my real income stayed much the same, but the numerical dollar value of my income increased rapidly during the 1980's.

Over a 10 to 15 year period the stock market is still the best place to invest. Most people do this through their superannuation or mortgage (or both). It also helps if you have never been divorced; they are always expensive.

I don't invest in coins.
I have been building my coin collection for most of my life.
Nevertheless, the sum value of all of the coins in my collection has been in continuous rise, if a 5 year weighted average value is considered.
But my house value and superannuation have performed better over a 30 year + period.

I am in my mid 70's now, (hopefully with some acquired wisdom), and that has been the past economic experience of my life.
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Google:
'Investing in art during a recession a wise choice?'
You may get some good parallel answers, relative to coin prices.
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Basically coins are not something people need if and when buying food is important. However, I've been a coin collector for well over 60 years now and so far I've never seen coin prices drop. Stay the same, yes, but so far never gone down. This is something odd too since when you try to buy them and there is a so called recession in progress, they are still the same or even higher in prices.
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 Posted 10/09/2020  05:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hunter611 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've noticed coins holding price or higher myself when looking back through what was paid for coins since ~ 1960's.
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As with many very large questions, I think the answer is "it depends," and "there is no simple answer."

I think:
- relatively low value coins (think the majority of what is found on e-bay) drop during recessions for the reasons mentioned by others.
- high value coins do not necessarily drop with recessions, e.g. the 2020 market for rare coins seems to me to be quite strong
- finally, and a very important effect, coin prices tend to move to some extent with precious metal prices, which usually go up in recessions or times of financial uncertainty

Finally, I have never seen data and analysis to support answers to broad questions like this. Maybe because the market is too diverse to give a single answer.
Certainly the raw data exists, and one can find analyses of small segments of the market ...
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I have found this site to be interesting in providing historical US coin prices from the 1950's, although not specifically linked to times of recessions. Just looking back at coins I purchased in the 1980's, it seems to be in the right ballpark.

https://www.us-coin-values-advisor....-values.html
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Good stuff.
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As with many very large questions, I think the answer is "it depends," and "there is no simple answer."



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I have found this site to be interesting in providing historical US coin prices from the 1950's, although not specifically linked to times of recessions. Just looking back at coins I purchased in the 1980's, it seems to be in the right ballpark.
Very interesting site!

I just looked at the 1909-S VDB. Its price was rising until 2008 and started coming down in 2010. After the drop it is still sitting around 2003 levels.
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Zurie:

Very interesting website. Thanks for posting.
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Anecdote on an ancient coin:
I bought my first ancient coin in 1965 - a silver denarius for $4.
Market value in 2020: $100.

That works out to an average compounded interest rate of 6% over 55 years
- right through all of the recessions and economic booms over that period.

As noted before - I am not a coin investor.
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Hi,

Thanks for all the replies and information.

I'm planning on buying an Athenian Empire Tetradrachm. Not to make money but because I like them. The ones I am interested are going for about £1000.

However I believe there will be a recession next year and didn't want to buy one and find it dropped in value by 30%. I know it could still drop 30% or more but at least it will be an informed decision.

Thanks again

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It is always very helpful to the potential future value of any fine art object (coins included), if
you buy well in the first place.

Research your market well.
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However I believe there will be a recession next year

Whaddya mean NEXT YEAR? You are already in recession: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-52986863


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I just looked at the 1909-S VDB. Its price was rising until 2008 and started coming down in 2010.


Just looking at that one coin in relation to the original question ...

The deepest recessions since 1950 as measured by GDP and unemployment were 1957-58, 1973-75, 1980-82, 2007-09 and 2020

Here is what the chart says about 1909-S VDB prices in relation to those recessions:
1955-60 Increased in all grades
1970-75 Increased in all grades
1980-85 Increased in all grades
2008-10 Decreased in low, increased in high grades.
2018-20 No change in low, decrease in high

Other periods which saw decreases were 1965-70 and 2010-2016. These were both periods in which PM prices were in the doldrums (declining or stagnant).

My observation from just this one example is that prices can drop in especially severe recessions (since 2007-9 and 2020 were the worst, at least by the numbers), but may be unaffected by most. The only 10 year periods that saw declining prices for the 1909S VDB were 1965-75, and the period since 2005. But it would be hasty to draw conclusions without looking at a lot more examples

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You took my example to the next level. Thank you.



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But it would be hasty to draw conclusions without looking at a lot more examples


So thankful I am not in this for the profit.
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