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1909 S Wheat Penny, The Silent S

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Yes, I just have a couple of questions about my 2 1909 wheat pennies. I hope I'm in the the right forum. So the S on each is pretty worn if it's there at all. You can put it under a piece of paper and run a pencil over it and get what looks like an s. My question is what does PCGS do to bring out letters or numbers like this or do they? And also what can I do to try and bring them out without damaging the coiin? Thank you
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the S on each is pretty worn if it's there at all.

My question to you is this: How do know an S is there? Just wishful thinking or is there some other indication at all?

I realise you are asking a general question, but we would really love to see your coins. Would it be possible to show us? We are a very image driven bunch.



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1909-S--Wheat-Penny,-The-Silent-S
1909-S--Wheat-Penny,-The-Silent-S
1909-S--Wheat-Penny,-The-Silent-S
1909-S--Wheat-Penny,-The-Silent-S
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Ok so I swear I can see something in the first one if I stare at it long enough until my mind sees it!
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Sorry, but I'm not seeing any signs of an S here.

And to answer your question, no, there is no way to "bring back" the S, if it was there, without damaging the coin. If it was just hiding under dirt and/or verdigris, they may be able to successfully conserve it. In this case, can't bring back something that isn't there, IMO.
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Ok thank you, I guess it's time to break out the microscope. Thank you and how can I remove some grime myself, I don't want to pay them to do it and find out it's nothing, and don't want to leave a valuable coin with grime on it in my drawer.
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Much larger pics would help.
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I did the pinch and zoom on my iPad and I don't see any evidence of an S in you pictures. Microscope is a good next step.
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Full, high resolution photos needed.

As an aside, the coins appear to have been cleaned at some point in the past.
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Thank you and how can I remove some grime myself


The three safest chemicals to conserve your coins are distilled water, acetone and xylene. You can try all three (separately, of course), but you'll generally get the best results with acetone and/or xylene

If you choose acetone, be sure to use pure acetone, not something like fingernail polish remover that contains acetone.

Soak them in just enough to cover the coin for about 24 hours and then gently clean with a q-tip. Remember that acetone evaporates quickly, so use an airtight container.

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OOoooo, this is a touchy subject. The general consensus is NEVER CLEAN YOUR COINS. NEVER.

It's not worth ruining your coins.


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OOoooo, this is a touchy subject. The general consensus is NEVER CLEAN YOUR COINS. NEVER.

It's not worth ruining your coins.


Don't want to hijack this thread, but that is not the general consensus. Safe and conservative use of the proper conservation chemicals is widely accepted, on this forum and in the coin collecting hobby. Those chemicals listed above are perfectly fine for dissolving substances on coin surfaces without affecting the color of the coin or the surface metal, which is the question the OP raised.

And typing in all caps is a form of yelling and is generally considered rude.

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