What Is Going On With This 1905 Indian Head Cent

I have an 1896 Argentina gold coin with similar circular marks. Someone told me they are likely lathe marks left over from the machining of the die blanks. Not sure if it's correct but it sounded reasonable.

What is up with the second nose and chin outline?
John1

I think the weak lines in the obverse and reverse fields are remnants of die clashes. The only place I have seen die file marks is in and near the ear. One really obvious example that comes to mind is 1862 Snow-10.

Marks on the highest points of the design almost have to be post-mint damage, since they would be the most recessed parts of the die. Filing or polishing the die would affect the highest parts of the die, which would be the lowest parts of the coin. I could see those marks being removed from the fields by die polishing, leaving the ear unpolished. I do not see any way the most recessed parts of the die could have lathe marks or filing marks, since the process of hubbing the die would obliterate those marks.

Here, the circular marks look like either a coin rolling machine or a vending machine such as a Gumball Machine or a fortune-telling scale. The earliest coin rolling machine (the Jennings coin wrapper) came along a couple years after this coin was minted. I fail to see how a coin rolling machine could scar both the obverse and reverse. That leaves me with the suspicion that the marks came from a one cent vending machine.

Just some thoughts.

Raymo,
Nope.....I really don't like what he is doing to the industry. I accidentally accepted an offer from him on an 1874 Indian cent that he will undoubtably clean and sell in the coming weeks. I didn't even look to see who bought the coin when I accepted the offer. That guy is ruining the hobby and somehow getting top pop coins out of the TPGs while doing it.

It looks like the Ring of Death from a coin roller...

I love copper coins that have bluish toning, while I disagree with and won't purchase from Mikesmountainvalues, there are others out there that are more natural. This one was picked up off ebay last month.





I will snatch these up whenever I see them if the price is right. This one came packaged in an envelope with a note from the previous owner saying he owned it for 50+years and recently retired and was selling his coins.