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1796 Half Cent With Pole NGC Not Suitable For Certification Please Help

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 Posted 12/11/2020  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Where did you get it and how much did you pay?
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 Posted 12/11/2020  10:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Other than the possibility of an electrotype, which I do not believe is likely, I don't see anything that would make me think it isn't genuine. (There are electrotypes of both w ith and without pole 1796 Half Cents but they were made from much better condition pieces than this one. Electotypes are copper shells filled with lead so no they are not magnetic.) I think the condition of this one was just so rough they weren't willing to cover it with their guarantee, just in case.
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 Posted 12/11/2020  9:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I bought a box of junk silver and copper from a garage sale in Pennsylvania for $300 it was in there. Guy said he wasn't sure what was in there he wasn't the one who collected them.
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 Posted 12/13/2020  05:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1796NoPole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Conder, why do you think that coin is in poor condition? OP's pictures are not very good at all, but I think it's a terrific VG-F details with moderate pitting/corrosion. This coin is worth multiples of five figures if it's genuine.
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 Posted 12/14/2020  7:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't consider the surface corrosion to be just moderate, more like moderate to severe and since it is over all of the surfaces that would make it difficult to impossible to look for any die features a counterfeiter might have left on the coin. think about many of the fakes that have gotten past the TPG's recently that were unmasked by repeating contact marks from the original source coin. It would be possible to make a fake die from a decent coin, but whose marks would make it identifiable, and then corrode the coin to hide those features. If the TPG certifies it they could be on the hook for tens of thousands of dollars. So rather than risk that you get a "No decision" verdict. No passable die struck fake 1796 has been seen yet, but it is a risk for them. If this had had better surfaces it probably would have been certified.
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 Posted 01/10/2021  9:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have much better pictures to show of this 1796 Half Cent With Pole that I would like to know some opinions on if it is real or not.

The weight is 4.71 grams
The Diameter is 23.5 millimeters
The Thickness is 1 millimeter

Again I believe this may have been made from a cut down Large Cent planchet.

Please review my old post of this coin from last month for an addition information on how I acquired this and the process it has already gone through up to this point.

The title of this post is the same as the old post
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 Posted 01/11/2021  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the link to his original thread.

http://goccf.com/t/388004
Check out my counterstamped Lincoln Cent collection:
http://goccf.com/t/303507
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 Posted 01/11/2021  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The two topics have been merged to keep the conversation in one place.
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 Posted 01/11/2021  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jbuck please do not merge my post how are people suppose to know that all new information on a coin that could be worth tens of thousands of dollars is now on the 23rd comment? I want the same people who commented on this post to see a new post and not an old post with almost 1000 views and when you open it see old outdated photos. Thank you.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1796NoPole to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These pictures are MUCH better and the coin looks genuine to me. Fine details to my eye and I've seen a million EACs with more corrosion than this. TPG either knows something we don't about the coin or is being unbearably pedantic, which is very much not like them to do. Just send it to PCGS instead. If they say the same thing, there's something specific about the coin they're seeing that we aren't.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  12:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dstring26 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you 1796nopole. I talked to PCGS since they have looked at it in the past and I was told by a staff member it needs to be unanimous. I asked how many graders looked at it and what the decision was between them like how many said yes its real or no its fake. She wouldn't answer that question and I wasn't allowed to speak with a grader. Id like to send it in again but not sure how to go about it. Plus I'd love if someone from EAC would look at it I contacted them they said they'd have someone get in touch with me and I haven't heard back since.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  12:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Plus I'd love if someone from EAC would look at it I contacted them they said they'd have someone get in touch with me and I haven't heard back since.


I would imagine that everyone on/at EAC volunteer their time and are NOT "employees". Show a little bit of patience dude.

The grading company told you why your coin was not certified. You can argue and disagree all you want. At the end of the day though it's their guarantee, reputation and money on the line once a coin is placed in a slab.

(By the way, punctuating your sentences would make your posts more readable. Periods and commas go a long way!)


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 Posted 01/12/2021  07:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For folks interested in a deep dive on this coin, here is a link to a now-locked additional thread:

http://goccf.com/t/390354#3340569

@dstring, I am requesting that you keep the discourse here civil. We are here to help and educate people. Sarcasm belongs elsewhere. Thx.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Considering that no one will certify your coin maybe take the hint.
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 Posted 01/12/2021  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jerryc39 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If someone offered you 5K for this coin and you only paid 300 for the whole lot I am a bit surprised you didn't jump all over that. Bob Grellman would be an EAC member who could evaluate your coin.
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