Coin Community Family of Web Sites Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors
Shop for APMEX Bullion on eBay!Royal Canadian Mint products, Canadian, Polish, American, and world coins and banknotes. Vancouvers #1 Coin and Paper Money Dealer Coin, Banknote and Medal Collectors's Online Mall 300,000 items to help build your collection! Specializing in Modern Numismatics Join Thousands of Coin, Bullion, & Money Collectors








Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?


This page may contain links that result in small commissions to keep this free site up and running.

Welcome Guest! Registering and/or logging in will remove the anchor (bottom) ads. It's Free!

5 Cents 1945 Undersize. Wrong Or Defective Planchet?

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.
Author Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 1,503Next Topic  
Valued Member

Canada
234 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  09:52 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just found this "ugly coin" in a bulk lot of 5 cents.

This is a 5 cents 1945 Victory. The remarkable aspect of this coin is its dimensions.

Diameter 20.3 mm (20.9 nominal)
Thickness 1.67 mm (1.84 nominal)
Weight 3.64 g (4.54 nominal).

The shape is a dodecagon as the normal coin.
The edge is Nickle plated as the normal coin. So the coin is not grinded.
It's magnetic as the regular coin.

Is it a foreign planchet or a defective planchet or something else?


5-Cents-1945-Undersize.--Wrong-Or-Defective-Planchet?
5-Cents-1945-Undersize.--Wrong-Or-Defective-Planchet?

For comparison, this picture shows the thickness difference with a normal 1945 coin. The undersize coin is on the top. We see that the nickel plating looks similar on both coins.

5-Cents-1945-Undersize.--Wrong-Or-Defective-Planchet?
Pillar of the Community
Wade's Avatar
Canada
2781 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  09:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
severe environmental corrosion or acid bath
Valued Member
Canada
234 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't thinks so for now.
From Charlton Catalog, Nickel plating has a thickness of about 13 um.
The actual coin has a total thickness and diameter smaller than the nickel coating.
So an acid bath should have remove all nickel coating.
And the weight is about 20% lower.
Edited by SP67
12/10/2020 10:24 am
Bedrock of the Community
Coinfrog's Avatar
United States
94367 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  10:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I lean toward acid bath as well. A number of partly-diluted acids could produce this effect, I'm guessing.
Valued Member
Canada
234 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  11:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your comments.

There's less than 0.1 g of nickle plating on normal coin.
The actual coin, weight about 0.67g lower than the normal coin and the Nickle is still there at most locations.

Maybe I'm wrong with my math, but this is why I'm excluding acid bath.
But maybe I'm missing something.
Edited by SP67
12/10/2020 11:10 am
Pillar of the Community
robmck1967's Avatar
Canada
870 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  6:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add robmck1967 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
my thought is it could be a Dryer Coin. all the high points on the obverse have been worn down through the plating and rust has formed.
Pillar of the Community
Learn More...
Canada
9862 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's rusted.
All the weight loss and shrinkage is due to rust beneath the surface.
I have a truck bumper with the same affliction, there is slightly bubbly chrome surface but barely any steel behind the chrome.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
Valued Member
Canada
234 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could Drier coin lost 20% of its mass by keeping good surface quality in many après?
Moderator
Learn More...
SPP-Ottawa's Avatar
Canada
10456 Posts
 Posted 12/10/2020  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Check SPP-Ottawa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add SPP-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
So an acid bath should have remove all nickel coating


True, but corrosion attacks the steel under the plating, just like the rear quarter panel of a 1965 Mustang... the painted (or in your case plated) surface is intact, but most of steel has oxidized.

Secondly, I see a ton of altered coins from the 1940s whereby folks automatically assume a foreign planchet. Other than NFLD, the mint was not striking any foreign coins in the 1940s!
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert Oppenheimer

Content of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_US

My eBay store
Valued Member
Canada
234 Posts
 Posted 12/12/2020  08:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SP67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to all of you.
Closed file. This is a rusted coin, nothing more.

For sure, I learned a lot with that exercice.
This is the benefit of the Community
  Previous TopicReplies: 9 / Views: 1,503Next Topic  

To participate in the forum you must log in or register.



    




Disclaimer: While a tremendous amount of effort goes into ensuring the accuracy of the information contained in this site, Coin Community assumes no liability for errors. Copyright 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Family- all rights reserved worldwide. Use of any images or content on this website without prior written permission of Coin Community or the original lender is strictly prohibited.
Contact Us  |  Advertise Here  |  Privacy Policy / Terms of Use

Coin Community Forum © 2005 - 2026 Coin Community Forums
It took 0.27 seconds to rattle this change. Forums