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  I love the toning on this and am interested in potentially buying it, but the surface is really throwing me off. I'd appreciate your thoughts on the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Contrast between obverse and reverse suggests a cleaning, at least to me.
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Pillar of the Community
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The die pairing is a match with O-104, but the surface texture seems off. Perhaps a cast counterfeit? Can you get a weight on the coin?
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Pillar of the Community
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The coin appears to be genuine, but messed with. The has a porous surface. Maybe some cleaning and AT toning to hide the work. This is one that I would pass on. It is not original.
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Bedrock of the Community
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AU50 details. cleaned. the field surfaces look like they are flow lines. coin looks genuine.
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Looks like a worn obverse die. I always like the way the worn dies produced the "Shooting Star" effect on the outsides of the stars.
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I would say genuine as well, later die state, hence the heavier flow lines. Cleaned in the past as well. I've seen this type of toning before on AT examples. There's a drastic change of color from the high points showing wear , which have taken on a golden color, to the colors you see surrounding it. But I could be wrong.
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http://goccf.com/t/380716&SearchTerms=ploopy. This is my coin. Not sure how the comments from my thread can differ with this one so much, or the authenticity questions, considering a good amount of you commented on that thread as well calling it a straight grade, (AU50-53). I will be clearing up some things said here. Toning is dark, and the pic you posted is more to accentuate the toning, than show surfaces (see the thread linked if you desire more pictures). The blue toning is only when the coin is tilted towards light, which does seem to be indicative of natural toning. The "porosity" mentioned is because this is a weakly struck coin, with worn dies. This is also a weaker strike. Here is a picture attached of the reverse, to show what I mean. A tad of luster left in the devices, and not really any indications of cleaning, just some darker toning. 
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12/10/2020 5:08 pm
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With the additional photos on the other thread and the extra one above, it's clearly genuine. I thought AU-50 straight grade then, and I'll stick with that.
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Thanks everyone and in particular thanks to Ploopy for the clarification. I do like the coin as it has a certain uniqueness to it. I am trying to put together a full set of capped bust halves with each coin looking different from everything other coin. This one would fill a slot in that set nicely.
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The blue toning is only when the coin is tilted towards light, which does seem to be indicative of natural toning. Your ebay listing title calls the coin Monster Blue Toning. The Listing only shows the obverse with the blue toning that looks like it could be AT. The listing is a little deceptive if the blue toning can only be seen when the coin is tilted toward light. Maybe this photo is a better example of what the coin looks in hand? I would be a buyer of the coin with this photo and the blue highlights.  Edited by Slider23
12/10/2020 6:12 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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That's a whole different look for sure.
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Thanks everyone and in particular thanks to Ploopy for the clarification. I do like the coin as it has a certain uniqueness to it. I am trying to put together a full set of capped bust halves with each coin looking different from everything other coin. This one would fill a slot in that set nicely. Of course, thank you for allowing me to clarify. If you would like, I can email you with videos of the coin 360 around a light, so you can see the surfaces even more. Quote:Your ebay listing title calls the coin Monster Blue Toning. The Listing only shows the obverse with the blue toning that looks like it could be AT. The listing is a little deceptive if the blue toning can only be seen when the coin is tilted toward light. While the pictures were taken to show toning, that was the point. I also included some pics with less emphasis on the lighting but I see how it can be taken. I'll add some more photos now to show it. Edit: Just updated the listing, thank you guys for helping me out! It was interesting to hear views on how photos can change perception of a coin, it was tough to image this one. Edited by Ploopy
12/10/2020 6:29 pm
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Please do email me, Ploopy. I'd be interested in seeing the videos. I'm at *** Private information removed by Staff. Please do not post your address/email/phone number etc. ***
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The picture slider23 posted looks more natural to me. Having only the picture posted accentuating the toning with no other reference makes it questionable, to me. Seeing the additional pic helps, certainly makes more sense after seeing the reverse with similar toning. Am curious how this coin was stored all these years though. Thanks for posting the link! I'm also sticking with my Initial AU-50. Not sure if either big TPG would consider the old cleaning market acceptable based on how they've been in recent months. |
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Hi shoover4,
Can you privately message me your email? It won't let me email you.
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