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1924-S Standing Liberty Quarter. You Vs PCGS

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MS64 and not sure about the FH. Looks close but not quite all there.
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Thank you all for your thoughts on this coin and all the extra information about the 1924-S strike and what makes a fullhead or not. This is a great forum!

I won´t tell what PCGS gave her yet. Instead I´ll post a closeup on the head and some other photos because I think it might be a double strike. I´m no expert on this serie so what I´m seeing might be a part of the design on some of the photos


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Very nice coin indeed.
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i withheld commenting on the FH designation until I saw a closeup. although all three leaves are present and accounted for and it looks like the hairline is complete against the brow, the ear slit is not visible and therefore no FH designation would be attributed
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PCGS graded this one UNC Details Scratched
I be honest and say I was hopeing for MS62FH when sending this one in. I like some of you belive it could grade as high as MS64 when I compared it go my 1920-s NGC MS63.
However as PCGS noted, there is a scratch on each side that in some angles stands och as a thin frosty white line. IMO it absolutly affects the overall grade but are not that disturbing since there are plenty of diepolishing lines that it blends in to except in some angles. So I thought knocking it back to 62 would be a fair adjustment of the grade.

The Trueviews really do shows how the coin look för the Most part but I'll guess I'll have to accept the grade PCGS have her.

It also seems like I have to do some studying in FH designition as many of you don't think it qualifies and I thought it wasn't even a question

Really appriciate all the feedback and extra info on FH grading.

I still wonder if the coin has been double struck? Since I think I see doubling in both the obverse and reverse it shouldn't be diedoubling, right?

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It also seems like I have to do some studying in FH designition


got to have that ear slit to pull the FH designation. I think everything else is there for it
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got to have that ear slit to pull the FH designation. I think everything else is there for it


I dont know if I get the translation correct. What is slit?
I looked at PCGS site and they say the hole of the ear should be visible and I think their picture of minimum requierments for FH looks like my coin.

Is the ear slit the line under the earhole?
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There are many different opinions on what constitutes a full head. I think "full head" is a poor description. The issue is whether the coin has a solid strike or a soft strike. There are several complicating factors:
Type
Die polishing. Al three mints tortured their dies. like this coin, die polishing lines abound in the series, and are visually unappealing.
Die state. Badly worn or mismatched dies abound in the series.
Whizzed coins, attempting to make sliders pass as UNCs

Here is what I look for. This list isn't original. I stole it years ago, modified it, and have no idea where it originally came from.

Head:
All three leaves are distinct and complete
Hairline is complete, and distinct from forehead and face, all the way to the jaw
Ear hole or ear slit is visible

Shield:
Inner shield has vertical and horizontal lines
Outer shield has all rivets
Exception: Abraded shield polished die varieties generally lack both attributes

Hand:
Liberty's right hand is complete

Gown:
Fold over Liberty's left leg (our visual right) is complete
Bottom of gown below Liberty's left leg has all four buttons visible

Feet:
All toes visible on the right foot

Gates:
Substantial detail exists in the wooden gates

Reverse:
Eagle's wings have several distinct feathers on the edge of the wing. The eagle's right wing (our visual left) is the key problem area.
Eagle has visible breast feathers. Very few have more than a few breast feathers.

Very few coins have truly full strikes. The goal is to find strong strikes. They exist for several dates, but are almost nonexistent for other dates.
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Some years had ear slits. Others had much shorter ear openings, and look more like holes. Here are a couple examples:
Ear slit (1917)
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Ear hole (1923)
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Feet:
All toes visible on the right foot

I told you guys about them toes .
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UNC Details Scratched


I see a lot of die polish lines but don't see scratches significant enough to detail the piece. Can someone please point out the "major scratches".
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There is a heavy scratch on the obverse, NE to SW across the shield, gown, and stomach. On the reverse, there are two NW to SE scratches from the eagle's left wing (our visual right).

IMHO, the reverse scratches alone wouldn't detail the coin. The obverse scratch is more problematic, but I don't think it is enough to detail the coin. PCGS must have felt that the combination of scratches was enough to detail it.
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Thank you fortcollins for your informative input!



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Can someone please point out the "major scratches".


On the obverse there is a scratch that goes vertical under O and D in GOD. On the reverse it's one of the two scratches that starts from eagles left wing and go to the stars. I don't have it in hand yet and can't remember wich one it was.

Under light in some angles they stand out as frosty white. I don't know if PCGS spotted something else but I asume it's those two that made it Details.
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The obverse scratch is more problematic, but I don't think it is enough to detail the coin. PCGS must have felt that the combination of scratches was enough to detail it.


Thanks. I have to believe those look far worse in-hand. On my screen this piece is magnified at least 10X and I still don't see anything that should bodybag this coin.
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