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1980 P 1c Roller Lines?

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I know the late 70's and early 80's are prone to roller marks. I havent seen any this deep or that extend to the rim like this one. This came out of an uncirc'd roll so I'm guessing it's not PMD. This one doesn't remotely look like an improper alloy issue but does look distinctively like wheel grooves.

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"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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I haven't seem the Rev but the coin doesn't look uncirculated.

The lines look like damage to me.
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I havent seen any this deep

Roller lines are not incuse to the surface so it is damage like MOS0239 stated.
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It's PMD
Roller marks would appear on the fields only and not on the devices.
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Roller marks would appear on the fields only and not on the devices.

That is not true.........
http://goccf.com/t/303921

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 Posted 01/02/2021  7:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That is not true.

Thanks for correcting my mistake, I was was thinking of feeder finger lines.
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I was was thinking of feeder finger lines.

Oh yeah, now those are only on the fields!
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Thanks for responding. I#699;ve included some more photos.

1. It came from an uncirculated OBW roll though there is some ED. So it seems unlikely its PMD.

2. There is what looks like a lamination peel around the bottom of the "G" making me suspect more of the planchet debris possibility. Not split plating because its not plated.

3. The mark looks so mechanically straight (even inside the "U") that man made PMD seems unlikely.


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1980-P-1c-Roller-Lines?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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I believe you when you say it is ms. I think that it is baggy and lighting is highlighting that too much.

Interesting coin. I'm going to let it perculate for awhile!
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Link to article by Mike Diamond
https://www.coinworld.com/news/prec...erstood.html

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You also never see any lamination errors (cracking, peeling, flaking) in the narrowly striped cents.

Maybe a new example?


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Roller lines are not incuse to the surface so it is damage like MOS0239 stated.
-Rothery
This is not true according to the article.


"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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You will have to read articles more closely. In the article the Incuse lines mentioned we from wire bristle brushed used on CLAD layer stock - nothing mentioned about copper alloy for cents.

"In all the cases discussed so far, the stripes are level with the surrounding field and design. In other cases, the lines are incuse. I have, for example, come across three 2000-D Virginia quarter dollars with incuse lines present on both faces that continue over the design rim. Something must have scarified the surface of the strip, or possibly the blank. One candidate is the rotating descaling brushes used to clean clad and core strip prior to their entry into the bonding mill. The carbon-steel bristles can potentially scratch the surface of the strip. If these scratches are deep enough, they can persist through the strike."
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This looks like post-strike damage. I say this because the incuse lines are just as strong in the field as elsewhere. With pre-strike damage, signs of damage are more effectively smoothed out by the strike in the field. Nevertheless, based on these photos, I can't rule out pre-strike damage entirely. What I can say is that these are definitely not roller lines.
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