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1950 50 Cent Piece, A Very Interesting Coin

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1950 appears to be a NO design 50 cent coin.
Or is it a "new" design?
last year I was able to obtain this very interesting coin.
please give it your best shot on grading it.
you are competing with NGC. should be a piece of cake to be at least as good... or better.
Any comments are also much appreciated.
Please look carefully on both sides.
Thanks everyone

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those die cracks are almost around the clock! Nice! as far as grading, not my thing. Sorry!
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It's a no design, I'll say AU58
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There are three design varieties, that is as you say the NO Design.
Die cracks are common on most years of King George half dollars.
Not sure how NGC grades but I will say MS64
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There are three design varieties,

I had to look that one up I only know of 2 , so now I will have to find the Half Design, good info.
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I don't collect 50 cent pieces, nor do I have very many. The bridge of his nose doesn't look right and the I's are different than the 1948 that's in the grading forum. From Mikey's talks/lectures, those are 2 areas to look for something more newly made.
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No design , has the diagnostic crack through the 0 .
Also appears to be a Double HP obverse .
63 .
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Could be my old eyes, but something looks odd about this coin
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The Reverse has multiple die cracks all around the coin. These are all markers for the No Design with Die Cracks in a relatively early die state of the die cracks which will get steadily worse.... see Zoell FL452q.
So this would indicate to me that the Reverse is genuine and that the Obverse is most probably genuine..
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Thanks, guys, your comments are very interesting and are much appreciated.
IMO, there is no issue with being authentic. I have another, not as nice and ungraded, with the same Die cracks, not as prominent.
The reverse strike is very powerful/beautiful on the subject coin. I am surprised the die survived that. It must have "fallen apart" soon after.
and although you all have great comments, Pacific is the only one who recognized the Double HP and JimmyD hit the grade.
I was not aware of this on 50 cent coins before.
the question is: since it affects values on the $1 coins, how will it affect values on the 50 Cent pieces?
Oh yes fellows, NGC graded it as MS64 - no design in date.
nice.. am wondering what Canadian TPGS would say...?


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There must have been an Obverse Die change as there is NO evidence of a doubled 'HP' on the 'No Design with Die Cracks' coin that I have. The only true DDO with 'doubled HP' that I have seen in the 50c series is on the 1951 and the 1952 (the 1952 with significant doubling of the HP can be found with 4 different Reverse Dies and the 1952 with less significant doubling of the HP can be found with 2 different Reverses}.
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well, looking at the subject coin and the other one I have with the same die crack,
I think it is obvious that these have 2 different HP's
although I might be wrong.? hence your assumption of different dies might be correct.

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I have to agree with pginrh on this one I don't believe there's a double HP, If you can supply better closeups of the HP it would be helpful.
I have this coin in a very early die state with only the die crack through the "0" in the date and there's no double HP on the obverse.
I've seen many of this reverse and in multiple die states and never seen one with a doubled "HP".
You need to have a closer look at that HP under magnification, if it's doubled you'll easily see it.
For now I would need more convincing.
Gorgeous coin by the way and I think it's graded properly.

Cheers, Bill
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Thanks Bill
I will see my others and take close ups again, hopefully tomorrow

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there is NO evidence of a doubled 'HP' on the 'No Design with Die Cracks' coin that I have.


I have 3 no Design, one with no cracks, one with early stage crack and
one with late stage crack and there is no doubled HP on any of them.
I also checked my full and half design coins and there is no doubling on any of them.
I'm wondering if perhaps it is light reflection on the 47P7 coin that is making
it look doubled.
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I will take new images hopefully tomorrow and go as close as I can with my 90mm macro lens

we shall see if we can solve this mystery.

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