Can Somebody Please Tell Me What I Have Here?

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Dearborn Moderator United States 96837 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 8:30 pm 1796 draped bust coin. I know almost nothing about very old coins like this one.. EDIT: Also if possible what grade do you give it? thanks in advance Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 03/19/2021 8:32 pm Report this Post to the Staff

fortcollins Pillar of the Community United States 3658 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 9:26 pm I could be wrong here, but it has the look of a transfer-die-struck-in collar-counterfeit. The obverse central design element (the bust) appears to be way off center to the west. IIRC, 1795 is the only year that has the bust off center. The coin seems too perfectly circular for a date that is too early for an in-collar strike. The "6" in the date looks wrong. EDIT: That also can't be clash marks. They don't line up with anything that woud produce that clashing. I have no idea what could cause that appearance. Thoughts? Edited by fortcollins 03/19/2021 9:32 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96837 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 10:02 pm That is my conclusion as well, just wanted a second opinion. I'm no expert of coins this age. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96837 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 10:05 pm I think I'll use it as a card cover when I go play Texas hold-em Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
macmercury Pillar of the Community United States 5832 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 10:11 pm The date look just like this one. http://goccf.com/t/237473 Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96837 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 10:23 pm ya thanks mac.. I'm on the same page. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 10:33 pm The date positions on this coin and @macmurcury's link are not even close. Report this Post to the Staff
macmercury Pillar of the Community United States 5832 Posts	Posted 03/19/2021 11:00 pm Right Coinfrog, I should refer to the date number "6" looks closer to this one. Report this Post to the Staff
westcoin Pillar of the Community United States 9792 Posts	Posted 03/20/2021 04:21 am Counterfeit 1796 Draped Bust United States Silver Dollar Specs: Composition: Silver Weight: 26.9g. Diameter: Uncertain Origin: Likely China or elsewhere in Asia Method of Manufacture: Most likely through a Transfer Die Evidence: Perfectly round, as though struck in collar as fortcollins mentioned previously. Artificial toning, or antique aging has been applied. Details are slightly mushy and flat for the amount of wear the coin shows With exception of the '6' in the date, the dies are a match for 1795 Small Eagle Dollar, Bolender # B14. Six die marriages are known for 1796-dated silver dollars, these are comprised of four obverse dies paired in various combinations with four reverses. The luster is slightly PL and does not appear correct for the issue, more than likely, this would be due to a different alloy mix and the way the flow lines moved the metal under striking in a collar vs the original coin. Edge lettering was doubled (included for possible diagnostic purposes). Doubled edge lettering can appear on genuine coins. Similar examples have been offered online in counterfeit NGC slabs. Lower quality replicas made from same dies or molds. Evidenced by similar markings on the coins. I'm seeing the exact same marks on the neck on this example as I see on Dearborn's coin and on the previous example given in the older CCF thread. Is your edge lettering also doubled as well? As to the grade if it was real it would be an AU53/55 coin more than likely. As EAC/Colonial expert and dealer, Richard Picker used to say it grades around $24,000 take it or leave it. Coin is also known to be overstruck on earlier counterfeit coin. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96837 Posts	Posted 03/20/2021 08:32 am Thanks Westcoin - I saw that very same web page. This coin I got is a great example of a counterfeit coin. I think I'll file it in a special folder for future reference. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 96837 Posts	Posted 03/20/2021 08:47 am Funny thing on this coin is that the incused lettering on the edge is all wrong and there is a misspelling in the Word 'Hundred' The coin has it as 'Undrrd' the entire inscription reads as the following: "UNDRRDCENTS ONEDOLLARORUNIT**" Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Edited by Dearborn 03/20/2021 08:48 am Report this Post to the Staff
52Raymo Pillar of the Community United States 8517 Posts	Posted 03/23/2021 01:06 am Vampire bite, always gives it away quickly. Oregon coin geek.....* GO BEAVS ! ! ! * Edited by 52Raymo 03/23/2021 01:14 am Report this Post to the Staff
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