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United States
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Hello, this coin is out of my price range, but I am curious about where the "line" is for when an old copper coin like this becomes "detailed." This coin is graded by PCGS, and I am curious where you guys would put it and what you think of the overall quality of the planchet.   |
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Canada
857 Posts |
My guess is that the coin isn't as beat up as it appears, but some of the planchet flaws blend in quite well with the actually nicks and dings.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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I may well be a 'comments' coin but in this case, that doesn't matter very much, because it is a still very collectible coin.
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when looking at a 'comments', on a slab, don't immediately write to coin off due to the 'comments'. Some 'comments' have a much more negative effect on the value of a coin than others.
In a buying situation, it is still up to the buyer to determine the extent to which a 'comments' may affect the value, relative to the value for grade.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
5185 Posts |
The diagonal at the bust is a planchet flaw? I think it doesn't really distract and fits rather well with the outline.
Overall a reasonable attractive coin.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The diagonal at the bust is a planchet flaw? If your referring to the pole, it's not. It's part of the design ( pole with the Liberty cap on the other end). Reasonable about of clashing and definitely some porosity. I'd personally call this an acceptable amount of porosity. I've seen worse straight grade, and less Details. That being said, I'm not that great when it comes to EAC. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I think it's quite possible that all the lines in front of Liberty's face is from a die clash.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6385 Posts |
Very pronounced clash marks by Liberty's face and chin, corresponding to the reverse wreath leaves. Planchet quality is actually very good and there is no visible corrosion or porosity. The many small hits don't quite add up to a "damage" scenario, IMO. In the universe of Liberty Cap Half Cents this a valuable and desirable coin. I would be very pleased to own it! PS: I'd call this XF-40, solid for the grade. Edited by Jaobler
03/24/2021 1:39 pm
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United States
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Beautiful early example of a Half Cent. I'd give it an EAC grade of VF30, I've held this very coin, the color is a lot lighter in person with an almost light brown mocha look to it, so I know what PCGS thinks already. Just EDITED my comment to remove the grade and ID so everyone else could have some fun guessing, sorry I will put up the ID of it in a day or so, didn't mean to ruin anyone's fun guessing the grade. Little damage, choice planchet (what you may see as damage are all clash marks), there are a few digs on the nose and in the cheek, but nothing worse than most circulated 227 year old coins would have. I'd value this around $6,500 to $7,000+ today. I don't know any Half Cent enthusiasts that would kick it out of their collection. It's a Cohen 2a variety. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
03/24/2021 12:37 pm
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United States
1316 Posts |
As for your question about what the line is to score the "damaged" label...
My experience is seeing these in slabs is that the TPGs aren't consistent enough in applying labels to narrowly set a line. I think even determining AG3 vs G6 or G4 to VG8 or VG8 to F15 etc is all over the map. My opinion is which coins get or don't a details label is a lottery more than a science or even an art.
The EAC are prime for gaining your own knowledge in order to "buy the coin, not the label", and you are always welcome to pop a coin out of its holder if you think they botched it.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2125 Posts |
Straight grade XF45. I like it!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
18665 Posts |
XF45 but PCGS may have it knocked it for all the surface marks as well as some very minor field corrosion
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Pillar of the Community
United States
9792 Posts |
Since it looks like we have stalled out on the replies... Here is the coin from when I last saw it. 2011 March Sacramento Signature ANA US Coin Auction #1153 Lot #3018 Sold for $5,750.00 Photos are from Heritage Auctions - all rights to them, not my photos.    Here is the link to the photos OP put up from David Lawrence Rare Coins. Up at auction currently. https://www.davidlawrence.com/rare-coin/2247624Really shows how a little change in lighting can show the coin in a different view entirely. Open the DLRC Slab image large in a new window and put it next to the slab image I posted from Heritage other than the crack in the slab, and the serial number, you might think they were different coins. "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440Edited by westcoin
03/26/2021 05:41 am
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
752 Posts |
West Coin, thanks so much for sharing this! Yeah, the photo looks like another coin entirely!
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