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New Coins In My Collection, Medieval Coins Of Greece!

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 Posted 04/24/2021  08:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add malef13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello from Athens, Greece! I am new to CCF and I would like to share with you some coins that came this week to my collection. Generally, I collect modern Greek coins and medieval coins that were in use on Greek territories until 1453, (because previous that date it is illegal to own any coin without special permits and other bureaucratic things according to our "wise" Greek laws...). As I love history, I have fallen into this era of coinage and I have to say that I like it even more than our modern Greek coins! My main interest is my home-island Crete and other Greek island chains. The problem is that I am not sure if I make a topic on the right segment as their dates are a little bit later than 1600. (some other coins that I will post are before 1600, so I am a little bit confused).

The new additions are 2 coins:

The 1st one is a 1 Soldo for use in Peloponnese, Greece dated around (1688-1691), with remarkable condition at around Extra Fine+, personal opinion and the 2nd one is also a 1 Soldo for use in Ionian island, Greece dated around (1710-1797) the condition of it around F+. For those who doesn't know a lot about these coins I will clarify some things. They were minted by the Venetian Republic (or know as "La Serenissima") as they had occupied Peloponnese for a short period of time and Ionian islands until Napoleon came and took it. The use of these coins must be continued throught the years and between all regions under Venetian rule. The denomination 1 Soldo is extremely more rare than the 2 Soldi (or known as gazzetta) and I have to say that the 1 Soldi of Ionian islands is the 2nd that I have ever encounter from 16 years old till now that I am 22! I am really proud that I add it in my collection!

About the coins you can read in the first one "ARMATA ET MOREA", means for those who were employed on the military corps and the region of Morea (or known as Moria, greek: "ΜΟΡΙΑΣ" synonym of Peloponnese) and on the other side you can read "S·MARC·VEN" (which means San Marcus Venetus, Saint Marcus of Venice) along with the denomination I.

About the second one you can see "CORF·ZANT·CEF·" a rare variety of this coins as the majority of it comes with CORF·CEF·ZANTE. It means Corfu, Zante and Cefalonia (greek: "ΚΕΡΚΥΡΑ, ΖΑΚΥΝΘΟΣ, ΚΕΦΑΛΟΝΙΑ") the most known islands of the Ionian chain islets. On the other side we have the same as the first coin. I would like to mention that I am under constant research about these coins as I want to make a paper with all the varieties existed. Tough work but I have time.

Also, I would like your opinion about my thought with grading these coins. As they are hammered and close to Byzantien empire coinage, I think that a "ancient coin grading system" focusing on strike and surface is more suitable that the typical modern coins grading. What do think about it?

I am sorry for the big text, hope you like the coins. I really like a lot the amount of people that CCF have and I am sure that I will learn a lot of things!

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Warm greetings from cloudy Athens,
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 Posted 04/24/2021  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@giannis, first welcome to CCF. Second, those are some great coins that you have there. A while back we had a thread where folks could post coins with saints on them and I think that these two would qualify.

It is a small thing, but for the purposes of this forum, we split between modern and medieval at the year 1600 AD. Therefore, I am planning to move your thread over to the world coin section. I hope that you have more to share with us, whether before or after that date!
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 Posted 04/24/2021  10:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add malef13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Spence Thank you very much and I am so sorry for messing up the topic with a wrong segment. Thank you for the clarification so I will post each coin in the appropriate area.

I didn't know about that interesting thread with saints, it sounds really interesting!
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No problem at all. You could use the search box to find this thread or else just click on the link below:

http://goccf.com/t/367831

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 Posted 04/24/2021  12:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Very nice coins!
Some of us have a few coins of Venice, but I'm not sure I have seen coins like yours posted here before.

Concerning the Ionian Islands, they must have a very interesting numismatic history passing from Venice to Napoleon, and ultimately to Britain, since I used to have a coin of Ionian Islands with Britannia on the reverse.
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@tdziemia Thank you very much! The majority of collectors who have some Venetian coins are probably gold zecchino coins. Although I find them extremely interesting I do not pay too much attention.

I am more of a copper guy. I like the coins that the everyday people used for the basic everyday transactions, at the best possible condition of course. Sure I collect zecchinos, (have in mind that there a lot of immitation zecchinos exist from other locations and rulers such as Achaia, Lesvos/Mytilene(greek: Λεσβος/Μυτιληνη), Phoca and even Rhodes(greek: Ροδος). Plus these coins were not used in the town of Venice. They were used for the outer lands of the republic, with many of them being used on Greek land, thats why I really like to collect them.

Ionian Islands have a beautiful coinage history. The Venetian coins that were minted for use there, must have the lowest number of issued, concerning to Dalma et Alban, Isole et Armata, Armata et Morea and even the more commecrial Candia (Crete's coins). After Napoleon, Britain came and struck some really beautiful coins with Britannia on the one side and ΙΟΝΙΚΟΝ ΚΡΑΤΟΣ (Ionian state) on the other. It is known that of Britain's Ionian islands coins, some extremely rare were struck on plancet from Venetian coins of 1600-1700 Dalma et Alban and Corfu,Cefalon,Zante coins which is amazing for me! Sorry for the long text :)
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