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Filling Key Date Holes With Higher Grade Cleaned Coins With Details

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Filling key date holes in my morgan book I decided to go with a higher grade cleaned coin instead of a darkened/unsightly expensive lower grade one.It still wasn't cheap but I save close to 1/3 of what I would have paid.
Also,even if a coin is in a NGC holder and is blast white with cartwheels MS-64 can it really not have toned at all being sometimes 140 years old and made of 90% silver?
Some of this series can get expensive.I say yes!Do you refuse to buy a coin that has been cleaned.

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P.S.There is one exception,I will not buy a cleaned coin with cleaning scratches or highly polished.That is very unsightly.
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You might enjoy watching this little video presentation by my friend Mark at the first EAC convention I attended. It's titled "Details Coin Grade: An Extraordinary Opportunity"

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Its YOUR hobby so you do what YOU like. If I like something, I get it. That way I am not kicking myself for years to come.
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I think Eye Appeal is the #1 consideration. If a coin is Details because of minor cleaning or has a tiny scratch that doesn't appear noticeable, I say go for it.

"Buy The Coin, Not The Grade".
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If the eye appeal is good, I am ok with buying a details coin to fill a harder slot. I have a Lincoln Cent on the first page of my 7100 album that was cracked out of a Details slab. Got a great deal on it (about 20% the cost of what the no details coin would have been) and if I didn't know which one it was, I don't think I could pick it out.
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Personally, speaking as an older collector, I'm against this. I try to buy a coin or note just once, and I want it to be one I feel no need to upgrade.



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I see what your saying about replacing and upgrading coins.It can cost you in the process of making a beautiful set.I've replaced about 3 of them already from Ms-63 to Ms-64 for better eye appeal and almost perfect obverse.I've been pretty lucky selling the coins replaced with not losing much.There's just nothing like a awesome high grade Morgan dollar.
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Playing the upgrading game is usually a losing proposition.
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If you lose $3 on 20 coins that loss could have bought you another coin. Upgrading isn't worth it
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Take a long view and wait for a coin you know you can live with.
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^this. Look at my type set, I could have finished it long ago, but because I select premium coins for the grade it takes wayyyy longer to find a coin I want.
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So much depends on what your plans are for the future of those coins. If it's just a hobby, do what you like. If it's a sort of future investment, only get what can be sold easily.
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i agree with Just Carl. if your goal is to just fill all the holes then go for it however, I would not purchase a high grade details coin as you most likely would not get the money back in the long haul unless its a rare bird. my mantra...buy the best you can afford or save up for it. whats the rush? it took me decades to get some of my key coins.
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As a type collector, "Key Date" isn't something I usually have to concern myself with, which a wonderful pleasure for my wallet sometimes

In my set, I avoid details coins, though I have a few that I bought a bit ago and having done so, I hope to upgrade to possibly lower-grade but problem-free at some point

For me, the expensive holes in my type set, like double eagles, the Gettysburg and Pan-Pac halves, stuff like that, those are just "someday" coins for me. I wouldn't be willing to buy a details version of the high dollar ones, except perhaps a lightly cleaned that I could see in person and judge the "lightly" for myself.
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