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Funny Looking Skin On On A 1985-D And 1984-D Roosevelt Dimes

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Hello everyone;
I have this interesting dime I found I haven't seen any thing like it ,I thought I would share with everyone.
I'm guessing some sort of heating problem in the machine.
Looks like skin, I didn't have the same dated dine to compare to, but I guess you get the general idea its not the same.
Thanks for looking ,have a great day!
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Environmental damage.
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Looks like a 85-D to me. The "skin" is referred to as orange peel not environmental damage.
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The "skin" is referred to as orange peel not environmental damage.

Like a bad paint job on a car? Or a die issue?
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Thank you guys it does look like a orange peel.
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Looks like he forgot to shave...
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I feel the color is the copper inner layer showing from a partial missing clad on that area. The green on the reverse looks like discoloration. Small premium if that is what it is.
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Coop excellent observation, I stand for.
Joh1 and ijn1944 you find fast the diagnostic.

From my point of view I thing some grease strike also. Maybe the specialists on this field will pronounce. I look at UNUM till ME and also to IN and WE. Opinions?
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@sil, those areas of the inscription seem to be flattened from circulation.
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Its a tag team effort.
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Thanks Spencer. I didn't pronounce because is not my expertise. Those grease strike I learn every day and it is not ease on circulated coins.

Coop, your advertisement is nice but also discriminatory: NO GOLDEN AGE PRICE, LoL.
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There are a couple of area's that seem unnatural wear.
Look at the usunum its very worn .Where the E.plurib isn't.
Also look at the Lettering in Dime .The inside or top part of dime is worn.
Look at America the outside is worn .The staff of the lantern is really not worn like most dimes are.This is sometimes the first thing that gets worn.
Some how there are just spots being worn , I don't think that's natural, I may be wrong but that the way I see it.
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I have some interesting views on this orange peel effect.
I discovered this web site called NGC and there were a couple of good in sights to this problem.I hope I don't have copy write infringement involved .
But the two guys I will give credit for these blogs Jame Old Town E and Conder 101 thank you.

While there may be more than one way to achieve "orange peel" effect, I suspect that it is in fact due to die erosion with respect to minting of coins. This is because one may observe development of the effect through study of die states of various coins.



A classic example is the 1926-S Buffalo nickel. Some coins entirely lack O.P.E. and are nicely struck with full details and relatively smooth fields. These are, of course, the rare examples that are worth a large premium since the fresh dies imparted good details, including peripheral details that include the bison's horn. This same pair of dies was left in use much too long, and as they wore down, they stressed and developed the metal distortions in the die that were imparted to subsequent coins.



As the die wore down, coins became less and less well struck, eventually leading to a point that the bison's horn was poorly defined, and other details distorted, particularly in the peripheral areas where the die wears down most rapidly - the orange peel effect.



We know the same die was used as the production quality progressed from "fresh" to "distorted" because study of die state progression involves looking at die cracks and positional characteristics of the mint mark that mark a specific obverse or reverse die. In addition, one may find multiple coins that show the exact same orange peel effect, since they were struck from the same dies.



This is the way I've always understood it, anyhow...



By the way, for what it's worth, the series on which I have most frequently seen O.P.E. is silver three-cent coins, and second most often on Buffalo nickels. In my experience, it actually occurs seldom on proof gold, but that is where it is most dramatic, since it is not expected, and also the proof striking best reveals the extent of O.P.E. And of course, the effect is prized for proof gold, but collectors shy away from IIIcs and buffs that show it, knowing that it means an erosion of detail quality.



Still, I'd be interesting in further developments with your annealment hypothesis!
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Posted December 10, 2008

I think James has touched on part of the problem. There is more than one type of "orange peel" surface. The one seen on the proof coins is probably from the planchet annealing, but the one seen on business strikes is typically the result of worn dies that are starting to develop heavy flowlining
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