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1892 S Barber Quarter Is It DDR Vp - 002 Flynn F - DDR1?

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I posted this coin several months ago and Strike Doubling was the consensus, am not so sure so wanted to post it again. I possess several hundred Barber quarters and have looked at many more very few showed what I consider " Strike Doubling" many display Die Deterioration which is night/day from this example. Flynn has an 1892 S TDR listed as F-DD1 NGC lists it as VP-002 very sparse info or any closeups I can find on this DDR. I don't see tripling anywhere on my example so have no illusions but I do know several design changes were made in 1892 and am wondering what is the deal on this coin? There is notching on some lettering and the first period/dot appears strongly doubled. Focus on UNITED and STATES the rest shows thickening but inconclusive to me if doubled. Its minor but I believe its a DDR unlisted. Thanks for your thoughts.
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This is a tough call, it could go either way IMO. I can't find any photos of the 1892-S DDR only the 1892-P one. There are comments about it on the Barber Collectors Society, but no photos posted there or any where else I have access to, not in the "The Complete Guide to Barber quarters 2nd Ed. 1994 by David Lawrence" book either.

I'd like to be able to see more inside the darker areas of the lower serifs might be too much verdigris but more light might help.
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I ran into this one (not attributed) on Heritage; you'll need a free login to see larger images. I don't see a lot of evidence of tripling so it might be a different one, but most of the features seem to line up with the images on NGC.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-qua...bnail-071515

There's also this one, which shows a little more evidence of tripling in the bottoms of AR in quarter.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-qua...bnail-071515

What I note about both is the strong separations for example at the top of U and the bottoms of ARTR in quarter. I don't see this on your coin, and I don't really see anything on "quarter". On yours the top left serifs of ED in United look much thinner, and this reduction in thickness is a sign of Machine Doubling. So I have to lean towards MD.
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There are a few areas that look very similar and others that don't seem to match up at all. I'm leaning to 70% not the DDR but 30% it still might be. Isn't the VP-002 also have a very slight DDO? I'm not able to tell from the photos and this coin example may be too worn to show it off at all anyways.
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Thanks all, don't think these closeups will push it over into confirmation but may help identify MD. Maybe have stared at it too long for objectively identyfying. Thanks for your research help.
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