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So I Found This 2019 Lincoln Cent And I Think Its A Possible Double Die

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 Posted 05/27/2021  10:29 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add trianglescheme to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
i feel like its double die but I have been wrong before. It could possibly be Machine Doubling but it does have the die break along the shield rim on reverse for pickup point. Any thoughts?
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05/27/2021 11:30 pm
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 Posted 05/28/2021  04:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Way too much glare. Maybe MD and or DDD but not a doubled die.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with John. I see a ton of glare giving the illusion of doubling and possibly some worthless Die Deterioration Doubling, but not a doubled die.
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 Posted 05/28/2021  10:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Big-Kingdom to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
impossible because of single squeeze hubbing which started around 1986 and is always done since then.
there's doubling, but it's Mechanical Doubling caused by the press or the material, or Die Deterioration Doubling from die wear and flex of the dies after repeated impacts, but it's not a true "doubled die", in that the doubling is literally "on the dies".

now a days true "doubled dies" are near the centers of the coins, not the edges, and it's very minor in appearance in most cases.
Class 9, or"shifted Hub doubling". This is the only doubled die that can happen in single squeeze hubbing production of die, it's a new class created for single squeeze hubbing method.
It's one press of the hub to die, if a shift occurs in the pressing, the shift will translate to the die most usually seen near the center on coins.
Like the Lincoln ear doubled obverse, or doubled Memorial columns on the reverse.
there's Class 9, Type 1 or Type 2. you can look it up with these terms to learn more.

Prior to single squeeze, hubs were pressed to dies more than once to create dies, these misalignment's between each pressing is what causes the previous classes 1-8 of doubled dies.

I'm really hoping this is the breadcrumbs to help you want to learn and understand more about doubled dies, and hopefully add clarity to what is or isn't it. You really need to do your homework on it and see examples of them, and if not, at least know how to tell the difference between no added value doubling when you see it vs, a true doubled die. Good luck!
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05/28/2021 10:11 am
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(I see my message is getting through) Look at the centers of the devices.
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The more your eyes see a doubled die, then it is trained, what to look for on them. Remember something that should stick with us. On the single squeeze dies, the distortion remind me of over inflated bicycle tubes.
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So with the Distortion being an issue on the dates on cents, Lets see what we are looking for on the area:
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Note the normal image first. Do you see how the devices are all the same width on the normal devices. On the doubled dies, there is distortion the devices. Lets spot this to identify doubled dies?
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So with this idea to help look for doubled dies on the date, now we will look for this distortion on the devices. On the quarters, we see the same distortion on those devices:
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So look for this distortion of the devices as well when looking for doubled dies. Hope this helps.

CoopHome: What is distortion on the single squeeze dies, and how is that helpful on looking for doubled dies?
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05/28/2021 4:19 pm
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Excellent presentation by Dr. coop!



to the CCF!
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05/28/2021 11:07 am
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 Posted 05/28/2021  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add trianglescheme to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you ALL! this information is very helpful and I really appreciate it! this will definitely help me!!! I understand completely now what I am really looking for! thank you again for all of your help!
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