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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I posted this here because I am referring to an experience with one of my 19th century coins. Asked a dealer what he would offer on a TPG graded coin...it is a scarce R7 variety with no recent sales history or any offered for sale. He responds with "what will you take?". I come back with "make me an offer". Dealer sticks with his "what will you take". This is a well known long time dealer who probably knows darn well what the R7 variety is worth but won't make an offer. Very annoying but not unexpected.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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dealer doesn't want to lock in a price, he is looking to hedge here.. throw him a number a bit above what you are comfortable with, then see where he goes..
Edited by silverwolf 06/02/2021 7:36 pm
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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Dealer had his chance. Game over.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Okay, I'll bite, why not set a price? 
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4587 Posts |
It's not what it's worth, it's what can he sell it for backed off to reflect costs of capital, risks, etc.
If it's truly an R7 coin that hasn't been offered in the marketplace for several years, one of two things happen:
* He knows who to sell it to, makes one call, and flips it. He's looking for your price so he can maximize his profit IF there is one to be made.
* He knows that while it's rare, there's no market for it (or he will have to work hard to sell it).
He's looking at tieing up his money for weeks or months, the time he could be using that cash to make other deals with profits.
He needs it to be a price low enough to make that worthwhile. If he quotes that realistic price, you get insulted and post here about dealers trying to rip you off.
He's better off having you give a price and saying how he wishes he could, but there's no room in there for him to make a profitable deal.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
94367 Posts |
Same question - assuming you know the market, why not set a price?
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Valued Member
United States
235 Posts |
You are coming to him (dealer) I would think you must have a ballpark idea of what you want for it?
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
594 Posts |
Agree with jimbucks .. but that's just the way I am.
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
4691 Posts |
Quote: assuming you know the market, Mr frog I have no idea what this R7 variety is worth.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
10029 Posts |
I think BStrauss3 hit it on the head.
The difference is between a dealer's and a collector's reality of coin values/marketability.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
713 Posts |
What, exactly, were you expecting the dealer to do/say?
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21786 Posts |
In any reasonable price negotiation for cars coins real estate, whatever, both sides of the negotiation should have at least some idea of what the other side is looking for.
In this case, dealer looses out. Like you said: "Game over".
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Pillar of the Community
 Canada
5392 Posts |
Your coin , your price . Smart dealers stay away from the " make me an offer trap" it usually doesn't end well .
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5820 Posts |
The price you pay originally and multiply that 100x, and start from there... 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3342 Posts |
As executor I had to sell the estate's coins. I had no dog in the fight. They were modern proofs I had no interest in. It was a 25 year haphazard accumulation of US Mint offerings. There was no haggling, no ebay, no yard sale. It took about fifteen minutes. I was pressed for time and I took the $15,000 that the established coin dealer offered. The gold was worth the most and a little above bullion. One of the silver proof dollars was scarce and worth 100x melt. The non-silver proof sets were worth next to nothing. The departed would probably have been annoyed with me but he no longer had any say in the matter. The rest of the family was pleased. And that dealer has had my steady business for the last seven years.
"Two minutes ago I would have sold my chances for a tired dime." Fred Astaire
Edited by thq 06/03/2021 08:27 am
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Selling coins is sort of like selling anything. If no buyers, not worth to much.
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