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Something Is Odd With This Chinese 10 Cash

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 Posted 01/04/2009  08:41 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Something-Is-Odd-With-This-Chinese-10-Cash

Here is one Chinese ten cash that I am completely stumped with. This came from a huge bunch of Chinese cash that I bought recently.

Something-Is-Odd-With-This-Chinese-10-Cash

Can you see what they are? There are at least 3 unique thing about this coin that makes it differ from the average Chinese cash coins.

The coin is in a coin alignment by the way.
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 Posted 01/04/2009  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DL20K to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Off center surely..

I see some odd shapes in the fields, that don't quite match the coin's design.. so.. was it overstruck as well? Better resolution would help a lot
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01/04/2009 09:46 am
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Here are a couple of larger images, DL20K

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/...largegl5.jpg
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/...largecx8.jpg

There is something shocking about this coin, I can assure you.
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Don't tell me it's overstruck on a Korean 5-fun coin?!
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That is just one of the oddities in this coin
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Got it

Something-Is-Odd-With-This-Chinese-10-Cash

I knew the character marked with an * would be Korean.

So it's overstruck on a 504 (1895) KM#1108 5 fun

What's the other thing?
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There are two varieties of 5 fun coins struck in 1895.

This here is an excellent example of what it was in the past:

Something-Is-Odd-With-This-Chinese-10-Cash
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Wow...that's fascinating! What's the date of the overstrike?
This would be a good one for the world error/variety gallery.
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According to Krause those HU-PEH coins were struck between 1902 and 1910.

But we're still missing something, there were three unique things, right?
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Kurts, unfortunately there is no date on this coin. It should be struck around 1905-1908. I wouldn't consider it as an error as there is a possibility that there wasn't enough planchets in the beginning. Definitely an interesting piece.

Here's a big tip if you still can't guess what's wrong with this coin. Unfortunately you'll have to be able to read the Chinese characters. From what province this coin is from?
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If not an "error" per se, then definitely an interesting variety!
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However in this case, there are indeed two massive errors with this coin discussed which I am still quite shocked about. DL20K is coming quite close in his research I have given away a very huge hint in the very first post
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Quote:
The coin is in a coin alignment by the way.

So, this probably is where the hint lies! (can't really think of any other part of the 1st post that might be considered a hint )
To the point, I haven't seen a lot of those, but read they come in both coin and medal alignment..
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Yes, ALL the other Chinese coins in this lot that I have are in MEDAL alignment except for a few aren't well aligned. This is extremely unusual and if you can find any other Chinese coins struck in this era that are in coin alignment, please let me know.

I might as well give the answer out as DCH already solved the oddities in cointalk.

1. Overstruck over 1895 Korean 5 fun
2. Die orientation is in coin alignment, unlike most other Chinese coins usually struck in medal alignment.
3. Muled die of Chekiang / Hupei (!!)
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We (or at least I) have a lot to learn about Chinese coins then...

So, since that was (or rather wasn't) solved, I'd like to add that that's a nice batch of coins!
But what are those dark brown coins (almost) directly up from the Straits/Malaya 20 cents piece?
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Any ideas how(or where) the Chekiang and Hupeh dies got together?

Chekiang merged with the Fukien mint in 1906-1907. My first thought was that some of the equipment/dies were sent to Hupeh, but Krause says Hupeh only struck these through 1905.
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