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Putting A Value On Complete Sets

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For insurance, I need to come up with values of coins I have. I don't know what to do about complete sets of modern coins.

Only the Eisenhowers include proofs; all the rest are circulated business strikes, in grades from G to AU. Washington quarters start in 1965, but all the others have every hole filled -- Franklins, Kennedys, Roosevelt dimes, Jefferson nickels, SBAs, Sacs. And, of course, State Quarters.

How do I value these? Surely a complete set is worth more than the sum of its parts. Or is it?

Thoughts?

Jan




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You ask a very good question - especially about coins picked from circulation that may have gone up in value. I have read in other threads that when giving the estimated value to insurance companies, they more or less accept what you give them.

However, if you should ever make a claim, you have to come up with evidence - receipts, etc.

What about those Frankies you may have pulled from circulation during the 1960's - they cost you $0.50 and now.....

As I said, good question. I will certainly stay tuned.
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 Posted 01/04/2009  10:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add daveg131 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nope, a complete set is worth it's parts. Nothing more.
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I used to do jewelry replacement for insurance companies about 15 years ago, please give me a moment to explain, you will see the connection.

Many jewelery stores offer 50 to 75 percent off on jewelery, but give you appraisals for the "regular" price. Insurance companies used to just cut checks for the values on the appraisals until they figured out that very few people were paying or jewelers were selling at the appraised value.

So what they do now is something called "making you whole again" which means replacing what you lost with like kind or fair market value. If you have a receipt, then no problem, they will pay you the stated amount on your receipt, if you only have an appraisal, they will replace with "like kind".

Example, you lost a 1 carat diamond, you don't get the 10,000 on your appraisal, you don't even get the 5,000 you paid, (unless you have the receipt), you get another 1 carat diamond. This is where I used to come in. We would charge the insurance company wholesale instead of retail to replace the diamond, meaning they would win twice, by also paying wholesale instead of retail. Meaning they collected premiums at 10,000 value per year but only had to pay out 3,000 on the loss to buy a new diamond.

There is only one way and only one way around this if you do not have current receipts for todays values. PICTURES, take tons and tons of pictures. you cannot take too many pictures, trust me. Remember what I said above, they have to make you whole again.

If you have pictures of your coins, they have to replace every single coin in your collection, in the same condition that you have a picture of. They have no choice if you have pictures.

Now think how long it took you to put your sets together......There is no way the insurance company will take the time, nor be able to put these sets back together in any reasonable amount of time. Therefore they will have to pay you your appraised value by default.

Sorry this is so long winded, I wanted to explain how the system works a bit instead of just saying, take pictures.

Hope this helps
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^^ Best first post ever. Welcome to Coin Community, jpol. You're sure starting out on the right foot.
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I am of the belief that if a claim is made ALL insurance companies have "a list of 500 reasons why you are not covered".I think that taking pictures of your collection is a great idea.I was informed that by placing your collection on your "home owners insurance" is the best way to cover your self.I would be open to hearing more on this subject as I know there are many of "us" that have a collection or two worth insuring!!
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Thanks for the info jpol!

Taking pics is a great idea. It is time consuming, but its worth it in the long run. I also have a excel list of every coin I have ever bought and how much I bought it for with grades and all that as well. I believe with this and pictures, I should be covered pretty well. Even though my spreadsheet might be tossed out by the insurance. Having a list like I have also lets me know how much I have spent on my set and if I were to ever sell it, gives me a good ballpark figure to sell it for.
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Wow! Great advice and a great excuse for me to "cozy up" to my coins for a while as I take a bunch of digital photos! Thanks jpol!
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Thanks everyone, I'm glad I was able to help. I have been trolling this forum for a couple of months and learned more than I have in 20 years. I finally joined because it's killing me to see some of the things on the for sale forum that I can't buy. Now I just have to get the 50 posts and I get to go shopping.

Thanks again for the welcomes, I'm glad to be aboard. I will try to contribute although I believe my expertise pales in comparison to most already here.
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Insurance policies are contracts. The terms of any policy can vary.
Best thing if you want insurance, is to know what you would want to recover if there was a loss of your personal property and explain that to a good insurance agent.
Best place to probably go is to an independent agent who has several different companies he is licensed with to quote you a price.
I was an Insurance agent in a family business long ago and worked for Mom and Pop with my brother.
I am sure that there have been changes since then and probably some investigation with an insurance agency would be the best way to go.
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jpol,

Great advice! I am glad you started posting, hopefully we can learn more from you too.
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jpol - Welcome to CC! Sage advice!
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https://goccf.com/t/34744

Here is a link to a similar topic a few months ago. Hope this helps.

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I used to do jewelry replacement for insurance companies about 15 years ago, please give me a moment to explain, you will see the connection...


Thank you for sharing and to the Community!
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My collection is no where near others on this board, but insurance does seem like a great idea, I would hate to have a fire or other event take everything I had and leave me with nothing for all the time put into it.
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I was informed that by placing your collection on your "home owners insurance" is the best way to cover your self

Almost all homeowners policies are HORRIBLE for collections of any type. What is the deductible on your policy, $1000? $2500? $5000? Most companies want a ridiculous amount of detailed information, professional(read- you have to pay for it)appraisals, etc and some companies will only treat it as a face value cash reimbursement.

There are companies that specialize in insuring collectibles and they are generally the best people to have that kind of insurance with. ANA members are entitled to discounted group rates through Hugh Wood.
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