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1840 O Seated Liberty Quarter, No Drapery, Grade Request

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Hello. I have another seated for your review, except this one is a quarter from 1840. Any thoughts on grade?
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Too much flash to see the surfaces clearly.



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 Posted 06/23/2021  09:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Could just be the pics, but surfaces look pretty lifeless. Not seeing any signs of original luster. AU Details, Cleaned for me
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 Posted 06/23/2021  09:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill, the lighting hear is washing out the surfaces and we are unable to determine the originality of the coin. from a grade standpoint the coin looks AU58. was the coin cleaned? its not possible to tell from these photos. from the photos presented it does appear that way.
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I apologize for the pics. These are the pictures provided when I bought it. I sent it off to PCGS yesterday for grading, and the gold shield, which includes a TruView photo shoot. Thank you for your comments. In person, the coin does lack luster, but I could not identify hairlines or the rounded edges that typically come with dipping. It is more of a dull haze.
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No drapery, mint mark to the far left, Briggs Obverse 1 Reverse 1 Eagle has no toungue like previous years.

AU55 may go details for an old cleaning, hope not.
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Again, images are washed out, impossible to grade.
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Agreed with AU55, but without better pics I am inclined to think details.
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I agree with Frog as ungradable from images.
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I also agree with Frog, photos too bright to get a feel for what the actual surfaces look like.
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1840-O-Seated-Liberty-Quarter,-No-Drapery,-Grade-Request
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The PCGS verdict is in. Here are their photos.

AU details, damage, surface smoothed. What a punch in the nads. Anyway, I did notice that the mint mark appears to be doubled. Anyone care to tell me if that is a good thing, or if it doesn't really matter, due to the damage review?
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These last photos show areas of possible smoothing better, sorry to say it's definitely going to be a details when that occurs. Still a really nice looking quarter.

I checked Briggs Seated quarter book again, definitely Obverse 1 Reverse A, the 8 is triple punched though very tough to see (Die state A says it is very faded and hard to tell), nothing mentioned on the mint mark doubling, but from it's position it's has to be Rev A, (Die State is not A on the reverse as that would imply the mint mark was worn to the point of being hard to see), the doubling could be some minor Strike Doubling. This coin does exhibit a touch of surface granulation which leads me to believe it came out of the "New Orleans Hoard" which were quarters known with dull and/or corroded surfaces. That would also explain a need to smooth the surface in areas in hopes of improving the eye appeal. Those coins were also known to be softly struck in the head, surrounding stars and dentils on the obverse.
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Yes, that left obverse field does look suspicious.
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Thank you, West! I appreciate the response! It's nice to see there are people with this level of knowledge about certain coin types.
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Here is the mint mark up close...
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Another whizzed coin. Your blow up of the mint mark clearly shows the brush pits.
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