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Mexican 1744 1 Reale Pillar Coin Cast As A Button Found In Se PA Question

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I recently found a metal button at our 300 year old Quaker Meetinghouse in Bucks Co. Pennsylvania. The button has on its face the obverse side of a 1744 Mexican 1 Reale Pillar coin with a metal loop on the back to attach to clothing. It is a flat button but is only about 10 mm in diameter so I presume it is not an actual coin welded to the metal loop.

My question to you is: why would someone bother to make a button cast from a 1 Reale Mexican coin as my google search of 1744 Mexican history does not reveal anything at that time to be of merit?

Beyond that is the question of how a Spanish / Mexican object wound up in SE PA? I do not see any reference to Spanish or Mexicans living in PA during colonial times. Our Quaker Meetinghouse is along the old road from Philadelphia to New York and was a hospital for General Washington's troops during the Revolutionary War.

Looking forward to your thoughts on my quandary.

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As a former SE PA resident (Delaware County), it's a very interesting story. The old Radnor Friends Meeting was close to me, but I never found anything on the grounds.

First, Spanish colonial coin was accepted as legal tender in the U.S. well into the 19th century, so it needn't have anything to do with people form these places living in the colonies.

Please post a photo, as we have experts here on the forum on things like this who will be able to advise you better.
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To Tdziemia's request I cannot provide a photo of my button as it is highly corroded. When I googled 1744 button I found an image of someone else's 1744 reale button they found but theirs is convex and of two parts whereas mine is perfectly flat and of one piece (plus loop welded to back) and only of 10 mm diameter. Both are obviously not actual coins. Thus, more than one manufacturer felt it important enough to make a copy of the coin into a button.

I am thinking the button either came from a Mexican made piece of clothing or there was an interest in the history of something tied to Mexico in 1744 or perhaps the meaning in the wording of the coin: "On both sides - Unity" that even folks in NE USA found it of importance. Perhaps an expert of early American clothing is the better person to ask.

Perhaps the Quakers, who did not want to see us go to war with Britain, may have appreciated the phrase "on both sides unity."

Thank you to all who have pondered my question.

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@detecto, first welcome to CCF. Second, thx for posting that edge shot of the button. Can you please add straight on shots of both sides of the button too? Thx.
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I'm not sure, but I think that might be the convex example @detecto mentioned was pictured in an internet search (and not the one that's the subject of the post).

We do have someone here on the forum with expertise on these buttons made in the likeness of Spanish colonial coins, so I hope he will see the thread and weigh in.
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Spanish coinage was FAR AND AWAY the predominant coinage used in the Colonies and even into the early postcolonial era... would actually be much more surprising to see a button made from a BRITISH coin with that date (British silver coinage RARELY circulated here after the early 1600s).

From what we can see in that side pic, looks to be a button made in tribute to the Spanish coinage design... rather than an actual coin with a button shank added on.
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There are two questions that must be answered.

1. Why would people make a button out of a coin? Coins are silver, and button-sized, so a quick and easy way to make yourself a silver button is to start with a coin. You could go to all the trouble of grinding flat the old coin design and carving a new design into the blanked coin, or you could flaunt your wealth and keep the coin design, using it as a button.

2. Why would people make base-metal buttons with "fake" coin designs? It's all part of that "flaunting your wealth" theory. When it was fashionable for the moderately wealthy to turn coins into buttons, there opened up a market for lower-class people to want to buy similar items at lower cost. For the price of one genuine silver coin, you could probably by two whole suits worth of fake-silver buttons.

Think of it as "costume jewellery": cheap, but designed to make you look wealtheir than you actually are.
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