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Horse From New Jersey Showed Up At The House Today

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On the left side is a New Jersey colonial which I bid on without looking at it too closely. I did not expect to win the lot. After it showed up today, I went looking to identify the variety.

The closest match seems to be Maris 52-i. For comparison, one of the finest known examples of variety Maris 52-i is shown on the right.

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I just hope it is genuine. The corrosion and damage would steer me away from it.
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Looks quite close but

The one on the left looks off to me. The shield is far more defined in shape on the one on the right.

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Could be ground dug. I think 52-I is correct, just coins missing metal from corrosion.
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That's a nice New Jersey copper! Cool pickup!

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Thank you everyone for your feedback! I had fun figuring out the variety by looking through my books and recent auctions. Yes it is a porous, dug coin with some metal loss, but still lots of detail remaining. The coin on the right is obviously far superior, but I would need to part with about 4 grand to obtain one that nice.
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It looks like it's a contemporary Cast ctft. They're heavily collected for this series
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It looks like it's a contemporary Cast ctft
Just looks off to me
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I'm uniquely unqualified to comment or reply, so I'll kibitz.

I find a very worrisome discrepancy in the appearance of the perimeter denticles between the specimens.

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It looks like it's a contemporary Cast ctft. They're heavily collected for this series


Fascinating. I'd like to learn more. Can you provide some images and source references for the contemporary counterfeits that it resembles?
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Siboni, Roger S. and Howes, Arthur L.: "New Jersey State Coppers"
Demling, Michael A.: "New Jersey Coppers"

Yours has the die breaks O/R, which are not usually seen (they look like casting sprue). The Biggest Buyer of contemporary counterfeit cast NJ colonials has just passed away; I'll seee if I can find some that were in his collection. If you know what to look for (usually corroded-like with sprue), you'll find them.
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Thank you for the references!
Siboni & Howes and Demling seem tough to find.
I'll keep an eye out for them.
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Charles Davis carries the Siboni, Howes and Ish book.
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Very nice coin!
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