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1/2 Thaler 1805 And 1 Thaler 1834 Franz II - Fake?

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Hello everyone!
I justa get a little collection of coins from my grandpa and I dont know it there are fake or just modern reproduction. In this post ill upload 1/2 thaler 1805 and 1 thaler 1834 Franz II . Any help is welcome.
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Here the Thaler

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Could you give us the weight of each piece and if any of them are attracted to a magnet?

From the pictures, there is nothing obviously wrong with them.
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Could you give us the weight of each piece and if any of them are attracted to a magnet?

From the pictures, there is nothing obviously wrong with them.

And in the future 1 coin at a time, ple ASE
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I agree with the above, they both look genuine. Always good to check the weight though, it should be close to 14 g and 28 g, respectively.
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Nice to have a member from Andorra! Do we say "bienvenue" or "bienvenido"?
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Could you give us the weight of each piece and if any of them are attracted to a magnet?

From the pictures, there is nothing obviously wrong with them.


No magnet attraction, 27,9 grams the thaler and 13,72 grams the 1/2
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And in the future 1 coin at a time, please


Yes, sorry.
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I agree with the above, they both look genuine. Always good to check the weight though, it should be close to 14 g and 28 g, respectively.


Thanks! Yes, 27,9 and 13,72. Are they valuable enough to worth a grading?
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Nice to have a member from Andorra! Do we say "bienvenue" or "bienvenido"?


Due to my country of origin, bienvenido is better, but it doesn't matter. I have to say that I dont expected such a good welcome!
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That's always a tough decision.

Your first coin does not come up for sale very often. This example sold at auction in 2017 for 3300 Swedish kronor, or about 330 euro: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3804558. However, yours is in lower grade, and appears to have some scratches, perhaps from an old cleaning. So it would sell for considerably less.

Your second coin is more common. This example, in somewhat better condition than yours, sold for 125 euro a few years ago.https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4415844

In my opinion, these values do not justify grading... I would just enjoy them! ANd if you need to know about others, continue to share them here.



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Due to Napoleonic wars silver became very scarce in Austria and much sought for. There was a legislation (1806) to bring every silver item in private and church hands (holloware,spoons were exempted), to newly established assay offices and to pay heavy tax in silver coins currency. If not, the items were melted. It led to destruction of many valuable silver pieces, because very few could afford to pay tax with your silver coin (1805). Special mark (Repunzierung) was used to apply to silver at the time.
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That's always a tough decision.

Your first coin does not come up for sale very often. This example sold at auction in 2017 for 3300 Swedish kronor, or about 330 euro: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3804558. However, yours is in lower grade, and appears to have some scratches, perhaps from an old cleaning. So it would sell for considerably less.

Your second coin is more common. This example, in somewhat better condition than yours, sold for 125 euro a few years ago.https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4415844

In my opinion, these values do not justify grading... I would just enjoy them! ANd if you need to know about others, continue to share them here.


Thanks! I more interested in other kind of coins, so I will try to sell them. Thanks for the info!
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Due to Napoleonic wars silver became very scarce in Austria and much sought for. There was a legislation (1806) to bring every silver item in private and church hands (holloware,spoons were exempted), to newly established assay offices and to pay heavy tax in silver coins currency. If not, the items were melted. It led to destruction of many valuable silver pieces, because very few could afford to pay tax with your silver coin (1805). Special mark (Repunzierung) was used to apply to silver at the time.


So interesting! I heard an story like that but melting coins to make weapons and things like that.
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Both are definitely real. They are not rare coins and not worthy to make a fake one.
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