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1945 Australian Y. Penny, Diecracks & More? - New, Hoping For Some Insight

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 Posted 08/21/2021  4:53 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add haggitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All, First time posting, ive always kept interesting coins around but never really got into understanding why I kept them and what made them special.. until I spent a good 12+ hours yesterday researching as much as I could

Im hoping to gain a better understanding as ive never judged a coins defects let alone used the terminology but I have a few coins with unique features and would love if someone is able to provide guidance as to wether I'm on the right track and if so have I got something special?.
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THE COIN!
- 1945 Australia Penny (Perth Y. ?) -
ive numbered the photos for each point thats highlighted, they are all for the same coin.
Apologies but my lighting + Camera made getting a good detailed shot very difficult.

1- There appears to be a die crack on the AUSTRALIA lettering, hard to get a good photo but the seam was raised and resembled streaks of solder splashed on a circuit board (additional material vs scratched away)
1945-Australian-Y.-Penny,-Diecracks-&-More?---New,-Hoping-For-Some-Insight

2- There is a similar die crack following the end of the "PENNY" lettering
1945-Australian-Y.-Penny,-Diecracks-&-More?---New,-Hoping-For-Some-Insight
3- The outline for the GEORGE head sticks out on the reverse side and can be seen outlining the kangaroo
1945-Australian-Y.-Penny,-Diecracks-&-More?---New,-Hoping-For-Some-Insight
4- The entire edge of the coin has a line going around its center? (Very hard to get on camera but easily visible in person)
1945-Australian-Y.-Penny,-Diecracks-&-More?---New,-Hoping-For-Some-Insight

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1945-Australian-Y.-Penny,-Diecracks-&-More?---New,-Hoping-For-Some-Insight
1945-Australian-Y.-Penny,-Diecracks-&-More?---New,-Hoping-For-Some-Insight
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 Posted 08/25/2021  03:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echidna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello Haggitty
Welcome to the forum.

The varieties you have described are fairly common.
Quality control was very poor during the war.
However it would be of some value to a variety collector.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  07:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Yes, as Echi said the Mints had major problems during the War including lack of staff,supply problems and general minting process drama's, varieties are common and since ebay not in great demand from collectors.
The Perth Mint staff thought they were about to be invaded by the Japanese coming down from Singapore to secure WA iron ore supplies so although the minting of Coins continued to some extent to try and help with Australia's WWII Coin shortage it was not a high priority, moving Gold/Silver and other metals inland was.
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 Posted 08/25/2021  10:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add haggitty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the in depth responses! I've had a long and in depth interest in WW1-WW2 history but never came across this tid bit, very interesting and think ill make a note to store with the coin as a possible explanation behind its defects, bugger what its worth if it means I have a little piece of history!, very interesting. :)
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 Posted 08/26/2021  05:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ryurazu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you want to know more about varieties and error there is a good free source on this website it's under the free resource topic. Sadly it is just a catalog of the error and a prices from 1980s (Don't remember off top of my head) and no particular history of pieces.

Die cracks (are creases across the coin) but are outward or non incused cause by the die (the thing that stamps the coins design having a crack through it).

What you have there is a lamination flaw which is cause by the underlying coin' s metal. It would depend on the servity of the flaw and condition of the coin to assess collectibility.
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 Posted 08/30/2021  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Basil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Thanks for the in depth responses! I've had a long and in depth interest in WW1-WW2 history but never came across this tid bit,


Hi H.,just noticed your post.I also have a strong interest in WW11 since we studied the Wars at School in the 1960's.
I had Uncles from both sides of my parents involved and one was killed in PNG.
The Books from the 1940/50/60's are the most accurate, modern Historians,esp. since the Internet started are rewriting and putting their own slant on it to appear an expert.
What they don't say is most Jap. documents from the "Battle of the Coral Sea" and also the "Bismark Sea" were destroyed to save face,Jap. planning went from invading Aust.to invading Hawaii to drive the USA out of the South Pacific but Midway ended that plan.

Getting back to the Perth Mint the Govt.,and probably Mining Co.'s as well,securely stored their Gold/Silver there whilst waiting for it to be transported inland to be hidden,only a handfull of people knew the exact location but probably in a desert mineshaft somewhere.
It was in a Book I read back in the 1960's that covered mainly the WA & SA Govts.reaction to the fall of Singapore so copies will be still out there somewhere.
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