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Does anyone else think that the Sac's should now be classified as a new series, as we have a major change in the coinage. With the new Indian themed rev's mandated for 2009 and beyond, with no return to the Eagle rev. this is basically a new series I think. comments?  |
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They are making Sac's and pres dollars at the same time? I guess you learn something every day. Thats why I love coins!
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The U.S. Mint considers the 2009-up Native American dollar to be a new series, distinct from the 2000-2008 Sacagawea dollar. Unlike the 2003-2008 Sacagawea dollar, the 2009+ Native American dollars are being minted for and distributed to circulation as 'business strikes'. (2002 Sacagaweas were minted as business strikes, but not distributed for circulation) The 2003-2008 Sac's were only made as Uncirculated or Proof coins, whereas 2007-up Presidential dollars are made as business strikes for circulation, as well as in Uncirculated and Proof versions. I just got my first 50 business strikes of the Native American dollars from the Denver Mint last Friday, the day they were released. Glenna Goodacre's portrait of Sacagawea remains on the obverse of the Native American dollar, but the date and mint mark (that are on the obverse of the Sacagawea) have been moved to the edge of the coin for the new Native American dollar. The Native American dollars will have a new reverse design every year. Yes, nod2003, this does mean that the Mint is now making two different types of business strike Dollar coins simultaneously in 2009 (the Native American, and the Presidential). Five types in 2009 total, if we count each of the four Presidential designs as a 'type'. This may be a 'first' in U.S. coinage that two different types of coins are being struck as business strikes simultaneously for the same denomination, without one of the designs being intended to replace the other design. We have 1921 Morgan and Peace dollars, for example, but the Peace design was the replacement for the Morgan design. We have 1938-D Buffalo and 1938 (P,D,S) Jefferson nickels, but the Jefferson design was the replacement for the Buffalo design. Edited by DNA
01/12/2009 3:12 pm
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Does anyone else think that the Sac's should now be classified as a new series No, I don't. It's still the Sacajewea Dollar coin as far as I'm concerned. The new yearly change of the design on the reverse doesn't change the fact that's it still remains "the Sacajewea" Dollar coin. It will be a different coin EACH YEAR. Let alone from the previous 8 years ( since first minted in the year 2000) of the same design.....and one wouldn't want a "new series" definition each and every year of the "new" Sacajewea Dollar would one !.....  No, as long as she is on the coins obverse and they continually change the reverse.....it doesn't warrant a separate classification or a seperate folder IMHO. Although as DNA points out.....the Mint does...... Basically as long as Sacajewea stays the focal point and they decided to honor accomplishments of Native Americans on the reverse as "the change"....... that doesn't get to be a seperate "new series" from my standpoint.Edited by eaglefoot
01/12/2009 3:13 pm
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where con I get rolls of the new sac. dollars
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Westward Journey Nickels: The 2004 Nickels have the 'unchanged' 1938 obverse design, and both sides of the 2006 Nickel design have continued to be used in 2007 and after, yet the 2004-2006 coins are considered to be that particular series. If we used eaglefoot's definition of an obverse design being a series, the 2004 Nickels would be strictly Jefferson nickels (a 1938-2004 series), the 2006-up Nickels would be a new series of Jefferson nickels, and the 2005's would be the only true "Westward Journey" Nickels!  The Territory Quarters, National Park Quarters and (whatever else?) would also be one continuous series along with the State Quarters, since they all have the same obverse design. Oh, and best yet, the Lincoln Cent from 1918 to present would be one series! The obverse of the Lincoln Cent has not changed since Victor Brenner's initials were added to Lincoln's lower shoulder in 1918!  eaglefoot made some good points, but I would say that they since they did change the obverse slightly, and you can distinguish this change at a glance, there is some logic in their classification. A 'Sacagawea' has the date and mint mark on the front, and the 'Native American' does not. Easy enough! I will agree that a whole new obverse design would have been better for a 'new series', a new portrait of Sacagawea would have worked well for this purpose. venger, since the Native American dollars are being issued for circulation, your bank should be able to order them. They can also be had from the U.S. Mint for face value: http://catalog.usmint.gov/webapp/wc...ory_rn=27238Edited by DNA
01/12/2009 3:53 pm
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DNA....touche' ! And I realize the obvious with what you stated of course ! But I hope I can buy an album that will have the Sac's from 2000 when they started until when they stop minting them....whenever that is, with no interruption. And that's what I mean when referring to these " Sacagawea dollar coins" as NOT a new series when looking at it from a certain perspective that may not apply with the same rules to other coins. UNLIKE the Westward Series Nickels which had a completely different design OBVERSE and REVERSE....(but yes, still with Jefferson, although a completely re-designed Jefferson, as is your point and I don't disagree at all) Using different metal materials (silver War Nickels....Steel cents....Shell casings....switching to Zinc like the Cents in 82, etc. etc. etc. Looking at it the other way.........we'd need 56 "new series" for the Cent, the Nickel, Qtr. Half, etc. etc. etc. But, yeah, I get the point you're making !..... But, I'm referring to a "feeling of opinion" and "mood collectability" here with this particular coin. Especially since they evolved to NIFC status until "the change". The fate of their "in circulation" status but not used by ANYBODY at all nationwide.....as the Presidential dollars are currently enjoying and the Susan B. Anthony before these was a big preponderance to my "off shoot" opinion here. If they came out with a new slightly re-designed Suzie B. for five years....... it would go right in the same folder as the other Suzie B.'s......but the "Westward Series Nickels" definitely would not go with their counterparts. I DO see why that thought is confusing though.......but....after all....it's just a humble personal preference and rankled opinion that wasn't meant to be a "technical" "by the book" "analyzed" "dictionary definition response" ..........  I don't disagree, yes, technically it certainly is a new series of the same Sacagawea dollar coin. And now I have a headache.....it's Monday.....I'm tired !......  Sigh...I go now..... 
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01/12/2009 5:14 pm
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where con I get rolls of the new sac. dollars Business strikes will probably be available at your local banks, but basically, as per usual, you'll be able to order them from the U.S. Mint's website. The fact that some banks may not want these, because they have HUGE BAGS of the old Sac's.....will not be lost on a lot of banks.......AND the fact that they have lots of Presidential dollar coins that they're stuck with and can't get rid of too will/may be a factor in the availability of these new Sac's at your local bank....but I'm not sure really. Edited by eaglefoot
01/12/2009 5:05 pm
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I just ordered a box from the mint.
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Does anyone else think that the Sac's should now be classified as a new series... I say that the answer depends on your point-of-view and is ultimately up to you! Personally, I consider... ...the 1932-1998 Washington quarters a complete series. ...the 1999-2008 Statehood Quarters a complete series. ...the 2009 Territorial Quarters a mini-series. ...the 2010+ National Park Quarters a new series. ...the 1938-2003 Jefferson nickels a complete series. ...the 2004-2005 Westward Journey nickels a mini-series. ...the 2006+ Jefferson nickels an new series. ...the 1909-1958 Lincoln Wheat Cents a complete series. ...the 1959-2008 Lincoln Memorial Cents a complete series. ...the 2009 Lincoln Cents their own mini-series. I could go on. Many will include the Territorial Quarters with the Statehood Quarters. Others might want to break the Lincoln Memorials at 1982 into two distinct series! It is really personal preference. Collect what you like, how you like!  Edited by jbuck
01/12/2009 6:06 pm
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Sorry, eaglefoot! Poor eaglefoot just wants to keep all the Sac-obverse coins in one album. I can't blame you, but that album will keep getting bigger and heavier, with no end in sight (as of 2009). It may end up like an album with all the silver dollars from 1836 to 1935, or with all the small Cents from 1857 to the present. Obviously, I'm all for the idea of the 2000-2008 Sac's as a nice tidy little eight-year run in an album, then start a new album for 2009-up. This applies equally if you consider the coins one 2000-up series, or two series (2000-2008, 2009-up). Thomas D. Rogers' original reverse design looks better and better to me with the passage of time, so if anyone wants to consider the 2000-2008 coins to be the equivalent of "Wheat Cents" in a single continuing Sacagawea series, that's fine by me! Coin World Magazine's recent article " Sacagawea dollar leaves nine-year numismatic legacy" (Dec. 22, 2008 Page 50-52) was also written with the view that Sacagawea dollars are a now-completed 2000-2008 series, with 47 coins in total (including the 'Goodacre Presentation' and 'Cheerios' types). Edited by DNA
01/12/2009 7:52 pm
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Ive had a hard time collecting sacs from 2000-2008 p&d it seems that alot of banks dont carry them because they would have to order boxes for $500 a box banks dont want to pay ($500)and they arnt that usefull people dont want to use them so the banks dont pass them out much from my research you can get them from the mint when they come out each time maybe the mint will melt down alot of there inventory for the ones that arnt used witch will make them rarer lol but I think that they will circulate them because they want to get rid of the paper dollars hope this helps!
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hey wd1040, just wondering... do you think the rolls in the mint box will be mixed P&D rolls or all from one mint? I just ordered a box myself. First time I have done so, but easier than looking all for rolls from banks. Thanks, Jim
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The last time I ordered Jeffs and Madisons the Jeffs were D and the Madisons were P. Then from each of the remaining 9, I opened another roll and they were the same mint marks. I guess the entire box is the same...
I also read somewhere on the internet that the mint marks were the same for all $250, too.
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Quote:Coin World Magazine's recent article " Sacagawea dollar leaves nine-year numismatic legacy" ... written with the view that Sacagawea dollars are a now-completed 2000-2008 series... I just read this article online and DNA has a point here. If indeed this new coins are NOT Sacs then the series has ended. From what I understand they're still using the original Sac obverse and calling these and Native American $1 coins now. It's a bit confusing, that's what happens when the U.S. Gov't is involved, but the idea in the Coin World article is clearly stated as 2008 being the end of the Sac series. |
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