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Ebay - Sellers Can Bid Their Own Coins?

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 Posted 08/26/2021  2:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Farm1942 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I've often wondered if sellers drive up pricing by also bidding on the coins they post for auction. What is everyone's experience on this?
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 Posted 08/26/2021  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect that wouldn't be considered an ethical practice. Same for having friends and relatives in on the bidding scam. As a buyer, I'm not aware it's ever been something I've encountered. But of course, I don't bid on high-ticket, crazy-in-demand items.
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 Posted 08/26/2021  4:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Viper1357 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ijn1944 is right on the money. It's called shill bidding and is expressly forbidden under ebay's seller and buyer policies and guidelines. They have systems in place that looks for just such activity all the time.
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 Posted 08/26/2021  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KenKat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Shill bidding definitely goes on. That is a big reason why I submit my only and true maximum bid in the final seconds of the auction so that others (including shills) don't chip away at your bid.
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 Posted 08/26/2021  4:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hokiefan_82 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen apparent shill bidding occasionally on ebay. I must admit I don't participate in a large number of ebay auctions, but when I do and if I'm getting close to the maximum I'm willing to bid, I'll take a look at the other(s) I'm bidding against. If I see an account that has a very high percentage of bids with that one dealer and also a large number of bid retractions, I stop bidding.

Twice when that's happened, I've later got a message from the dealer that the winning bidder could not complete the purchase, and offering me the coin at my final bid. That's in no way proof that it's shill bidding, but just appears a bit suspicious to me...
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 Posted 08/26/2021  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've experienced shill bidding and I ended up reporting the shill to ebay but it made no difference the seller is still on there and my negative review is gone. But to be clear this was with 1 seller only, vast majority of my purchase have been great. Just use common sense and be careful when bidding on ebay.
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When I bid on a coin on ebay I try not to even think that someone can be shill bidding , it ruins the whole excitement of bidding . I believe shilling bidding can be detected around the last 45 minutes to one hour before the end of the auction .
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I usually watch the bidding for days to see the patterns of the other bidders. I'll put up my bit in the last few seconds of the auction.
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 Posted 08/29/2021  05:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Centhound1963 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Same as Kenkat...I find a coin that I want, figure out my maximum that I will pay and bid. Have lost a couple by .50. That is fine with me. Far too many shill bids for me to get depressed.
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 Posted 08/29/2021  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slerk to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I very often see how "buyers" make bets on a lot at the last minute. All 7 days that the goods are at the auction, there are either no bids at all, or 1-2 bids, but as soon as I place a bid and become a leader, I am immediately interrupted and the goods go for the money that I am not ready to spend. Perhaps there really are buyers who are ready to pay more by my standards, I do not know. But it looks suspicious every time. I am especially outraged when I am interrupted and a bid is made at the last second. I think ebay needs to do something about this.
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I am especially outraged when I am interrupted and a bid is made at the last second. I think ebay needs to do something about this.

It's not E-bays problem . Just don't take your eyes off the time remaining on the bidding .
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and the goods go for the money that I am not ready to spend.


I don't understand the problem, it went for more than you're willing to pay, doesn't matter when, it still went for more than you wanted to pay.

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An important thing about ebay is that part of the premise is that everyone bids their maximum bid and that's it. But that's not what most people do when they think "auction". So they bid until they are winning and then they stop. If they are winning at $35 and you bid $40, they will bid $45. You bid $50, they will bid $55. But if you wait until the final seconds of the auction, when they think they are winning at $35, you bid $50 but get it for whatever the next increment over their $35 bid is. Let's say it is $40. They don't have a chance to run the numbers up because they don't understand the game and you do. You win and get it for a lower price as well.

Now it gets more complicated with popular items with multiple bidders, especially employing the last second bid strategy (commonly called a snipe). But I started winning a lot more auctions once I started to use that strategy.
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 Posted 08/29/2021  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dearborn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with KenKat - why drive up the price? I always wait until the last seconds. I don't always win, but most times I do.
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Perhaps I am selfish, but I am ready to overpay 5-10 dollars to get this product(although there were cases when I won the auction, but my bid was too high and I realized it too late)

KenKat, I understood you correctly that you offer to place a bid immediately (even if the auction is still 6-7 days away) but put your maximum and wait for the end. So there is an opportunity to buy cheaper ?
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i have not been on ebay in weeks , today I went there just to window shop and had some good laughs , I saw a IKE going for $2400 . nothing special just good money . saw a SBA dollar at $500. I can not believe ebay allows this, new buyers on ebay beware .
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