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Fake Nero? 28 MM And 8.67 G.

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 Posted 09/06/2021  11:40 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello Everyone,

I collect many things, but not coins - not ancient or otherwise. I found this recently labeled 'old coin' with no intention to deceive, etc. I am curious because it seems fake to me. It is 28mm in diamter and weighs 8.67 g.

It is very thin, much thinner than a similar example I have handled.

Any thoughts would be highly appreciated!

Thank you. This site is great and has gotten me interested in searching for more items.
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 Posted 09/06/2021  12:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Please post a picture of the front of the coin as well.
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 Posted 09/06/2021  12:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

I am sorry. I thought I uploaded a front picture as well.

Again, the problem I am having with this coin is the weight.
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 Posted 09/06/2021  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you very much. I am such a novice I am not sure what to make of it. What do you think? An opinion, of course. Certainly leaves some room for it to be authentic. I know it's not a high dollar coin; I would just rather understand its place better.
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 Posted 09/06/2021  1:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There appears to be a lip around the outer edge of two or three of those authentic examples. My coins is in far worse shape and that ring is not present; one of the examples has a similar shape.
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 Posted 09/06/2021  1:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kamnaskires to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stay tuned. Hopefully some of our Roman coin collectors will chime in.
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 Posted 09/06/2021  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It matches this as: RIC I Nero 312 (with plenty of other examples here: http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric....312?lang=en). The weight is low, but not necessarily too low, these large coppers have a rather wide weight range. On authenticity: Looks ok to me, but I'll let the true experts on the era weigh in.
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 Posted 09/07/2021  07:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DirtyHarry to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi! Pictures are actually not that great, but I'd be inclined to say it looks authentic as far as I can see.
Regarding weight I agree with erafjel. You can find even lighter samples which are indeed genuine.
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 Posted 09/07/2021  3:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all very much! I am mostly decided it is authentic. I bought it inexpensively and as a curiosity. Of course, any additional opinions are welcome.
thanks again.
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 Posted 09/07/2021  6:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnConduitt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I've learned through similar processes that the weight of Roman bronze coins (or indeed pretty much any hammered bronze or copper coinage) is all but irrelevant. The range of weights on that page of authentic examples is 8.6 to 13.2g. They're clearly not even all made the same weight, and that's before you account for different amounts of different metals in their composition leaching out in different conditions for 2000 years.

The fact that it is inexpensive, well worn and holed would suggest it's genuine, as you wouldn't make a fake and then try to reduce its value quite so much.
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 Posted 09/07/2021  6:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add FVRIVS RVFVS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Poor picture quality but it appears to be genuine
Average weights for 1st century copper As range between 8-11 grams

Brass Dupondius generally between 10-13 grams

Easy for us to forget that bronze coins were merely tokens of exchange representing fractions of the silver denarius which was the primary unit
If you sold a few goats for silver coin you no doubt pulled out your pocket weight scale to double check the amount of silver
But if you bought yourself a nice fish and loaf of bread in the market you might get back a few bronze 'tokens' back
No real need to use the weight scale !
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 Posted 09/09/2021  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok. I think I have learned how to post better photos. Here are a few clearer images. thank you all again for your help!

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