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Found this one today, just got home so only took a quick photo. It's definitely a bare belly and bigger then some I have seen but idk if it is a full bare belly. I'll post some better photos in a little bit. Have to eat and put my son to bed.  Full or partial I'm happy to finally have found one. |
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According to coinsandcanada.com, the one you found might be more a partial bare belly, but still cool, and any bare belly here would probably fit the description just fine to me  . |
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Ya the photo is not great definitely close to full bare belly but partial sounds right. I have seen much smaller ones though so I'm happy to have finally found one  it's in decent shape as well:) I'll post a better photo in a bit. |
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From what I have read I am still not sure what causes this. It does not appear to be an over polished die, or Die Deterioration. Yet there seems to be more than one severity. I tried looking it up, half the info led me to this site but not to an article with a definitive answer. |
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Design elements of a die are recessed, so die polishing isn't going to do much to any of the elements. To me, it just looks like a weak strike or wear.
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Definitely a b.b imo. A better pic would probably help.
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Definitely a B.B here are full shots. Didn't get a chance to get photos last night Edit:posted the obverse twice lol.   Edited by Wrekkdd
10/13/2021 07:44 am
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So info when I look up the BB 1990 nickel says it has to do with over polished die, is this true? Also what causes the horizontal lines where the belly should be?
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Bare bellies occur when a reverse die has been over polished, the lines you are seeing is just from the polishing.
Since you still have half the belly left it would be considered a partial bare belly, it is also one of the more commonly found versions, full bare belly coming in as being much harder to find.
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Thanks johnwayn007, ya I can say this is definitely not a full one, but as I had no examples untill I found this it's a vary nice find for me. I'm trying to start a nickel collection on the side if sorting through my pennies. Had no luck today with nickels but I out aside all the pre 1980 nickels I find to check for doubled dies. I think I found an extra claw earlier today shortly after waking up but I'll have to check when I'm not half asleep lol.
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007 ... How can overpolishing a die have anything to do with the belly? It makes no sense.
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It is a bit strange it seemed to only affect the belly on the beaver and no additional detail. In my research I have also heard many people describe it as a progressive die polishing creating different die stages of a "bare belly". Also to note this error occurs in 1998 which I have posted here before as well.
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I only call it a die polish because that's what everything says on all the different websites though I agree with okie and coinman91, it does not quite make sense for die polishing to effect this area but not other ones around it. That's why I have continued to question if it is a die polish error.
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That part of the belly would be the hight point in the die for that area, so polishing the die down would not make the area strike deeper into the coin , shouldn't it have the opposite effect if it was a die polish issue? If anything it is like the die struck a coin and the die retained the metal in that spot, causing each strike to erase the design that should be there. I imagine If the die retained metal from a coin and struck many other coins the piece of retained metal would slowly break away causing a smaller and smaller bare belly coin untill it was fully broken off.
Is it possible the bare belly nickels are actually caused by retained metal from another coin? I'm trying to wrap my head around it.
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That part of the belly would be the hight point in the die for that area, That would be incorrect. the closer the area to the coin, the less metal that has to be moved by the strike. The belly is very close to the middle of the coin. The head and thighs would be further away. it almost looks like the design of the log running under the beaver.. Most likely , they over polished the die, then re engraved it with the lines going the wrong way... |
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Unless there were multiple dies used for the reverse with various stages of die polish? Just a thought  |
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Posted 10/12/2021 6:58 pm
