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1954 D LWC Broken Collar?

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I thought this had a great look to it but not sure if or what type of error it is.

Looks like a skidding effect on the obverse?

The coin lies flat and weighs 3.13g

1954-D-LWC-Broken-Collar?
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Obverse West
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Bottom Obverse bust
1954-D-LWC-Broken-Collar?

Stretched Left Wheat Ear

1954-D-LWC-Broken-Collar?
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 11/06/2021  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice photos.
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 Posted 11/06/2021  08:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sheldius to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. Will be watching for what the experts say.
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CoinHI,
Coming up on a milestone soon,having a contest?
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 Posted 11/06/2021  09:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll stand by for input on this as well. Dr. coop will know.
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 Posted 11/06/2021  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wrekkdd to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A new one for me. Will wait for one of the error experts to come along.
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 Posted 11/06/2021  10:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TwistedTrader to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. Where did you get it?
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That is very interesting. Looking at the obverse I would call it damage, but the reverse does lean me towards error. If I were just looking at the reverse, I would say broadstrike, but the obverse tells a different story. Maybe a genuine broadstrike that was damaged by someone trying to make it more valuable than already it was? If that's the case, then it's impressive the reverse remains unaffected.

Looking forward to the pros input on this

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Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one stumped on this coin. I'm surprised it circulated as much as the wear indicates it did. All the areas in question seem mechanically altered to me and not possible to replicate in a garage. This is just my gut feeling and can't give you a precise reason for saying that. there is a strange silvery mark in the middle of the left wheat ear that I thought may have some relation to the anomaly but maybe not. I will give it an acetone bath soon. I bought this off ebay for $29.

The area east of the second T in TRUST may reveal a clue. That area on the rim looks twisted to me, going over and under itself.

"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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 Posted 11/07/2021  04:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You might need to PM Mike.
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 Posted 11/07/2021  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinHI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John1, I might do just that.



Update: Expert opinion from CONECA is this is an Uncentered Broadstrike.
"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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I don't know who you you talked to at CONECA, but he is clearly out of his depth. This cent was clearly damaged outside the Mint. The left side of the obverse was smashed by some sort of a metal tube while the reverse rested on a rather giving surface.
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11/08/2021 10:32 am
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Thanks Mike. Your opinion counts for me.
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Thanks Mike, I'm always grateful for your time and expertise.

I don't see how a metal tube creates this deformity though. There's no pressure bulge on the reverse. The reverse appears more pressed and stretched outward where a tube would press in multiple directions (see Wheat Ear photo). It doesn't explain the extra small rim feature to the west or that the channel created is flat with beveled and vertical edges on either side (see "Obverse West" photo). The coin lies flat. The rim above and to the east of TRUST is also affected, subtly, with twisted curved lines. Some of the concentric lines west match the rim perfectly to the normal looking east. Mechanically lined up and seemingly impossible to do with garage tools. Just my 2 cents.


"Pride is yoked with callous behavior, as humility is with compassion." St. Gregory Palamas

Top Finds - 1969-S 1c FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/477681 1976 D WQ FS-101 http://goccf.com/t/382777 - 1968 D 1c FS-801 http://goccf.com/t/422254
Cool clashed dies - 1972 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/429855&SearchTerms=CCL
Struck-In Rim Burr - 1969 S 1c http://goccf.com/t/425587&SearchTerms=burr
Floating (Type II) Counterclash - 1978 D 1c http://goccf.com/t/434991&SearchTerms=1978


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As I indicated, the reverse rested on a smooth, relatively giving surface. The obverse clearly shows a crescentic depression with a flat floor that is certainly consistent with an impression from the end of a metal tube. The damage medial to it is harder to figure out, but the totality of the picture is completely incompatible with anything a coining press could produce. I have nothing more to say.
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