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Coin Storage, Safe Deposit Boxes, And Coin Insurance

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 Posted 12/18/2021  2:11 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I know this topic has come up several times, and there are archived discussions that are well worth reading. With the moderators' indulgence, I thought this might be a good time to prompt some thought with a new thread, and some personal observations and thoughts.

My wife and I just retired as dealers, after over 45 years in the business. We started with a mom-and-pop coin business,and then shifted to exclusively buyer-side representation. We were very safety-conscious (some of our friends called us safety-obsessed), so take that into consideration. We are now officially coin-less for the first time in our married lives.

These are just a few pointers and things to ponder.

(1) Never, never, never keep valuable coins in your home. The risk is far too great. It only takes one friend with loose lips to get the word out, and that makes more than the coins and house a target.
Tip: We used a safe that was located inside a title company's vault, and that was actually located in another state. Why this approach? Title companies are far less likely targets than banks. A safe inside a vault provided added protection. And storing the coins in a different state had tax benefits for selling them. On the other hand, it was a pain in the neck sometimes to make a 250-mile round trip to get ready for shows. Title companies may or may not be willing to allow this. We had close family friends who ran a title company, so we had an advantage.

(2) Don't get coin-related publications mailed to your home. Always use a P.O. Box or alternate address, such as a business office.
Tip: Go digital. We haven't subscribed to print publications in years. Digital editions are easy to store, and are obviously portable when it might be useful to have them handy for coin show reference.

(3) Safe deposit boxes very likely are not covered by insurance. Standard homeowner's policies have very low coverage limits for antiques, collectibles, coins, and other valuable items. Don't be surprised to see limits as low as $1,000 in those policies. Even if the coins are in a safe deposit box, those coverage limits may well apply. Two basic options exist: riders to homeowner's policies and stand-alone coin insurance. Both have benefits and drawbacks. Homeowner's policy riders may require disclosure of the identity and description of the coins, inventories, and even appraisals. Stand-alone policies may waive the listings, but will require proof of value when claims are made.
Tip: We have sold all of our inventory now, but typically ran in the $400,000 +/- range. The stand-alone policy was around $1,000 per year. That's a small price to pay to protect a large business asset.

(4) Always keep a detailed inventory of valuable coins. We took high resolution digital photos of all coins worth over $100, and maintained detailed digital inventories of all coins. It doesn't cost much to make these inventories, but the cost of not having one could be catastrophic. These would be needed to file the police report anyway, as well as for the claim.
Tip: Don't make it overly complicated. Use either an off-the-shelf coin inventory software or just create an Excel spreadsheet. The photos should be filed electronically under the inventory control number or another unique identifier. Back up the storage regularly, either in the cloud or on a hard drive that is stored off-site.

(5) The greatest risk to coins in safe deposit boxes isn't theft. It is flood.
Tip: Check FEMA and NOAA maps to see if the bank is in a flood plain. Try to pick a bank that is well out of a flood plain. Keep the coins in waterproof containers within the safe deposit box, safe, or vault.

(6) When traveling with coins, change your routine.
Tip: We always used rental cars to go to out of town shows. We drove two cars to some shows, with the coins in one and the other car trailing and watching for anything out of the ordinary. We sometimes drove one car to a nearby city, and then swapped the rental for another to use locally. Yes, there is extra cost. No, we never had problems. The cost and peace of mind were worth it.

(7) Visit your coins periodically. Even certified coins stored in climate controlled locations can have changes over time.

Now for a brief horror story to prompt thought.

Back in 2007, I was asked to appraise an estate that had a fairly large collection. The coins were exceptional, and most were certified. They had been stored in multiple safe deposit boxes in a secure bank. Hands down, this was one of the finest collections I ever saw. There were almost two hundred 19th Century proofs and high grade coins. Every single coin was destroyed. Why? They were flooded during Hurricane Katrina. The slabs were (and are) not waterproof. The toxic soup from Katrina irreparably destroyed the surfaces of the coins. They also were not insured. What had once been a $150,000-ish collection was little more than melt value shrapnel. We declined the chance to buy any of the coins, and really struggled to place any meaningful valuation on the collection. I understand that some of the coins eventually sold, but for truly awful prices.

Anyway, long post, but with the hope that it prompts thought and planning.
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 Posted 12/18/2021  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent write-up! Thanks!
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 Posted 12/19/2021  01:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add macmercury to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Excellent advice!
But being coin-less is rough.
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 Posted 12/19/2021  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yet I'll bet about 90% of all coin collectors have the coins at home. No safe, no insurance, no bank box.
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 Posted 12/20/2021  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Eagle4Life to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Plastic tubs in my closet :)

Although I do have a small safe it is not used for coins.

I once priced out adding coins to my USAA valuable items policy (or whatever they call it) and the cost was not reasonable.
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 Posted 12/21/2021  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i have a 1200 lb safe. dont think its going anywhere. I never carried insurance on them as the safe is my insurance, if it floods where I am then everyone would be on the ark. I do have a good inventory of all of them with fairly recent pricing. I also have photos of anything of value

one point fortcollins made that I failed at was look at your coins often. after years of dormancy in collecting when I started going through them several of my silver albums (mercs/roosevelts) had that black gunk on them. I believe it was from humidity. I had thought that a sealed safe would keep that from happening but it did not.
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Safes tend to be humidity traps. They should be opened and aired out regularly. Coins stored in them should be kept in ziplocks or tupperware type containers with silica gel IN the ziplocks or containers and should be switched out and "recharged' regularly as well. You are trying to create low humidity microenvironments.
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 Posted 12/22/2021  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Safes tend to be humidity traps. They should be opened and aired out regularly.
I have read that most "fire rated" safes have moisture locked into their insulation, meant to be released during fire to help protect documents. However, this moisture is naturally released over time and could raise the interior humidity above normal.
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