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Edited by chuckster 125
01/24/2009 5:54 pm
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I think after 16 degrees it is an error. If I'm not mistaking. I found a UNC 76 just like your 78. Nice finds!
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I had checked with NGC on a prior die rotation coin, and was told that they slab and label die rotation errors, but it has to be at least 15 degrees or greater to be noted on the label.
I don't know what PCGS or ANACS does/doesn't do regarding this.
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You would have to take both photos in the exact same orientation before I could tell anything.
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The 1964 is my first counter-clockwise find We tell everyone the only stupid question is the one that is not asked, so here we go.  Concerning this statement, am I correct in assuming that die rotation errors max out at 180 degrees? In other words, if dies can rotate clockwise OR counterclockwise, you will never have greater than a 180 degree out example. Is this an accurate statement? |
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Info from the Rotated Die Coin Census Site- not one single coin listed that's over 180 Degrees, whether it's CW or CCW.
Opening Statement from the Site:
"This is the first attempt to put rarity ratings on rotated die coins,so as with all series in the past as time goes by some of the ratings will be adjusted down as new coins are reported. I have compiled these ratings using the first two books showing coins known to exist with rotated dies as well as 18 years experience looking for rotated die coins in price lists and auction catalogs for my personal collection. I have also been receiving a lot of reports from other collectors with their rotated die coins for this census. The ratings listed below include all coins rotated 90 - 180 degrees for that date NOT each individual degree of rotation. Coins are listed as clockwise or counter clockwise, no designation means direction of rotation is unknown. If you have any coins with dies rotated 90 - 180 degrees or know of someone who does please encourage them to report them to me so I may add them to the census so it will be as complete as possible. RotatedDies@hotmail.com "
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Coins are listed as clockwise or counter clockwise, no designation means direction of rotation is unknown. The second part of this statement makes me think that you can tell which way the die was rotated. If that's the case, then you could have more than 180. Hmmph. I think I'm even more confused now.... |
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So what he is saying is that if coin jumps and turns 360 degrees you would never know it happened LOL The face can end up looking up or down. you could never tell if it made it all the way past 180 so if it went 185 degrees clocwise it would end up as 175 degrees counter clockwise I would say.
Edited by chumpchange
01/26/2009 08:39 am
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But according to the author, he/she is listing only from 90 to 180- WHY?
Why would you stop at 180 unless that's as far as it can go?
Thanks tights24- Now I'm wondering about it also!
Although I also have plenty of coins at "359" degrees out of rotation (LOL)
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very intersting post.i was just going to post a similar post then seen this one. I just found a 1919-d with the same counter-clockwise rotation.it looks just like your 1964,identical rotation.are these errors worth anything?
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From what I understand, unless its way off, like the rotated census site listings at 90 to 180 degrees off , there is not a big premium for them, but I personally save anything that is off by 15 degrees or greater, since at least one major TPG (NGC) does acknowledge and label their slabs with anything over 15 degrees. *I don't think my 1964 is off by that much, but since its the first one I've ever found thats Counter-Clockwise- Its a keeper to me!* I don't usually see too many Wheatbacks with die rotation errors- mostly LMC'S. Can you post a pic of your 1919D- Love to see it! Edited by chuckster 125
01/26/2009 12:24 pm
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When you rotate the coin you can not think of it as 360 degrees because you can rotate a die in two directions. In other words; once a coin rotates 181 degrees CW it is also 179 degrees CCW and with the strange way math works, 181+179=360 and covers your full spectrum of rotations.
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Thanks pennypincher,
Now that makes "CENTS" (LOL)!
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Yep. 180 degrees is the max that it can rotate or itll be counted from the other direction. Nobody can know for sure whcih direction it really came from. Thats just how it works
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