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Hu-Peh Province Token Is It Real Or Fake

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Hi I got this coin from a good friend but I wanna check if it's original or fake, can someone help me out? The weight it's around 37 grams
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Thanks for the welcoming, I'm so excited that there's such a community and everyone can help
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@hugo, glad you are asking because there are a ton of these fakes.

My first question is whether or not this piece is attracted to a magnet. Thx.
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Not genuine.
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Piece is not authentic, unfortunately
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Non magnetic and ice melts right away, how can you identify wich is non fake?
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Ok good to know that it isn't attracted to a magnet, but I still agree with the others that it is almost certainly a fake. If you wanted to prove it to yourself, you could perform a specific gravity test. Fakes are typically not made from silver.
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In this case it is easy to see by the pictures alone that it cannot be authentic.
Too much is wrong about it.
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Just check what the correct weight is supposed to be.
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For starters, the major problem with it is the denominations on the two sides are different. On the English side, it says "7 mace 2 candareens", which is the weight (in traditional Chinese Imperial Treasury units of weight) of a silver dollar. However, on the other side, the denomination is given as "1 tael"; 1 tael equals 10 mace. It is impossible for a genuine coin to be both 1 tael and 1 dollar.

The province-names are different on the two sides as well; the English side claims Hupeh Province, but the Chinese side claims Fengtien Province.

Conclusion: The two sides are from completely different coins; the fake-makers have simply been careless in making sure the two dies they used to make this coin were matched up properly. Which is fairly common for the cheaper fakes that they make.

The weight, at 37 grams, is too heavy for a dollar (should be about the same as an American silver dollar, 27 grams) but 37 grams would be about right for a tael. Tael coinage never really progressed beyond the "pattern" stage in most Chinese provinces, with the Imperial government adopting the dollar standard instead. A genuine pattern 1 tael coin from Hupeh Province would be worth tens of thousands of dollars; This one sold for $21,000 ten years ago.
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The weight should be 37.3 grams, 41mm Dia by 2.75mm Thk if it was a tael as indicated on the obverse.
The weight should be about 26.7 to 27 grams and about 39.5 to 39.75mm Dia for a dollar as indicated on the reverse.
The province names should be the same but they are not.
The denomination should be the same but it is not.
The beaded circle and denticles have the common flaws found on numerous lesser quality fakes.

It appears that Sap made a reply slightly earlier than I did.
It was not on my screen during the time of my writing, and we seem to have the same observations.
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