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Any Information On Mongol Fals: May Be Timurid Or Slightly Earlier.

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Any-Information-On-Mongol-Fals:-May-Be-Timurid-Or-Slightly-Earlier.
Any-Information-On-Mongol-Fals:-May-Be-Timurid-Or-Slightly-Earlier.

I'm interested in the copper 'host' coin. The countermark is from the Timurid era and validates the coin as legal tender (Adl) in Samarkand (Uzbeqistan).

The host coin is more troublesome. The c/m side seems to be centrally struck and entirely taken up by a geometric pattern. The other side is struck well off centre and has 3 main panels. The centre panel of the triptych is taken up be a trellis pattern (widespread on Mongol coins). The lower panel seems to be occupied by a design comprising conjoined letters: possibly 'Zarb' (struck or minted in). So the other word is key to understanding the coin, if it is the mint name.

An identical(?) coin appeared at https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=67499 and may provide some additional detail.

I'd be grateful for any thoughts on where this coin was minted, or anything else you notice.
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I don't know the mint, but I would think it was contemporary to the countermark (1400s). It may even have been struck in Samarqand, or at least somewhere within Timurid control, like Bukhara. They were countermarked for local use.

According to Stephen Album:
From about 818 (AD1415) onwards, all this coinage is anonymous and best regarded as civic coinage. From 818 until 905, all Central Asian mints were under Timurid control...Unlike their Iranian counterparts, which appear to have been valid only in the city of issue...Central Asian coppers were used as a regional, rather than a local currency. For this reason, it has been hypothesized that new designs or countermarks were used strictly for financial reasons, equivalent to a form of taxation.
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Interesting. I had assumed that the countermark occurred when the Timurids arrived, to revalidate earlier (e.g. Chagatai) issues with the term adl (legal tender) of Samarkand. The coin must have been made before the countermarking: but it's interesting to think that a freshly minted coin could be countermarked as a local tax process. I'm happy that the coin is a civic copper, but the bottom symbol seems to suggest that the top symbol is a mint name. I'm still hopeful that someone can identify the mint (There's a faint additional symbol in the Zeno link in one of the two minor panels). Or does anonymous mean no mint name (as well as no ruler)?
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The petal opposite zarb reads qand. The petal at left, then, is almost certainly Samar. The fourth petal may have held the date:
zarb / [Samar-] / -qand / (date?).
The host coin is itself struck over another coin. Traces of the undertype are visible at left on the same face we are discussing.
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Thanks, That has fully solved this coin as far as I'm concerned (I think we can discount Qandahar and Tachqand). The earlier coin is too faint. I'm very grateful to both contributor who have revealed so much about this piece that had me puzzled for years.
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