Heres Another Morgan For Ya This Time A VAM-79

Hi Bryan

There will always be a taker or two !! sometimes it takes a little while.

After looking at your pics,, which are pretty good by the way,,

My opinion on the grade of the coin, is MS-65 PL ,, the obverse does not show the mirrors as much as the reverse , but I think that may have something to do with the lighting and angle of the photo.

The scuffs on the cheek although as you say they are not scratches, they still affect the focal area of the bust,,I could see the coin as a 67 without them!! Its a pretty coin,, and thanks for the VAM lesson !!

Rick

You are absolutely_killing me with these B1's. Thank God I can't afford them.

Bryan, you oughtta leave the pics up longer to give more people a chance to check in. I haven't looked at the slab images yet, but from the images in your first post, I'd say MS-63 or MS-64. The noise on Liberty's face and what might be bag marks on the Eagle's breast might keep the grade down. The fields appear clear enough for -65, but I wouldn't want to bet the farm at that level. Having the coin in hand is a lot better than images, so I'll send you my mailing address offlist so I can give it my personal attention.

After I post this, I'll take a look at your second set of scans and will try to make comment then unless Detective Benson distracts me.

Fred

I am sorry I didnt give everyone a chance to look at the pictures. Myself it was just one of them boring days and figured maybe others were having the same kind of day I was and maybe a little grading would give them something to do, and I have had a few questions on what made a B1 reverse morgan so I figured this was a good chance to show them with a picture and have a little grading course at the same time. I appologize again and if I come across something of importance again I will leave it up for a few days to give everyone a chance to take a stab at it. I just find myself visiting this site a few hundred times a day to see if something new has been posted and when after a few hours if nothing has been posted I start looking for something to post and maybe help the community leran a little while they teach me alot.I will still send it to NGC to get crossed over so I can add this coin to my B1 registry set and hey I am happy to even have a MS-63 in VAM-79 because only the VAM-70 in the series brings a little higher premium of the B1 reverse series than the 79 Thanks, Bryan

Rick, I suspect we're gonna see major differences between ANACS and PCGS grading on Morgans. For some reason, PCGS has really become inconsistent with its Morgan grading and ultra-ultra harsh. Even though I used my own PCGS Morgan collection for reference and, taking the image as presented in the scan, I dropped down one to two grades from my first impressions since PCGS seems to be doing the same. From the image of the obverse, the marks on Liberty's face, even if products of the scan more than actual marks on her face, are the most detractive parts of the coin. I sometimes think PCGS doesn't even look at the reverse when they grade despite what they say on their website. I believe PCGS is leaning more and more toward the very subjective "eye appeal" aspect as the key criteria for the grades they issue. While ANACS gave this an MS-63, I'd be willing to bet next month's pension that PCGS wouldn't give it more than MS-61. Further, if I were to resubmit many of my MS-66 and MS-65 Morgans to PCGS, they wouldn't come back any higher than MS-63. ANACS has a lot more promise for grading consistency and adherence to accepted standards than PCGS is now showing. And ANACS saw in this Morgan more than what we saw; my MS-63 or -64 was as much luck as good management.

The biggest problem with our grading these Morgans from images is that there are marks which do not show up in the images and marks which are greatly exaggerated by the scans. In sum, for me, it's mostly a guessing game based on what I don't see as much as what I do see.

Fred

Morgan Fred maybe you can give me a answer on the 1878 8Tf coin I put pictures up of with doubling or trippling of the stars on the obverse and tell me if this is a common thing for that type of coin or whats going on with it. Any help with it would be greatley appreciated. here is a direct link to the forum about it
https://goccf.com/t/4081
Thanks in advance!