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  I think it's a fairly nice Lincoln just a little weak on strike? maybe?
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Classic die chips (55 obverse) and die crack (reverse, right wheat stalk, and perhaps T in CENT). At this time of day, I could see MS66.
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Nice die chip on first 5 . Scratches and or chatter on shoulder and jacket . Reverse has something going on between right stalk and rim . Planchet defect on reverse above ONE . MS-64+ very common date and mint , I would not send it in .  |
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That is RPM-002, stage J Sorry, not good about grading. It does have planchet flaw above ONE [as pointed out] and progressive design transfer since it is an older die.
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01/09/2022 2:44 pm
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Flawed planchet
Beautiful and desirable coin nonetheless.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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01/09/2022 2:50 pm
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hat is RPM-002, stage J
Sorry, not good about grading. It does have planchet flaw above ONE [as pointed out] and progressive design transfer since it is an older die.
Those who know what's best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves -- Witch Hunt I think I there was an earlier an earlier stage of that RPM in that roll. As you know I don't know crap about that but I thought one other coin looked like a "S" it seems west or northwest of the original one. interested? |
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it would have to come back at at least MS67 to make it worthwhile slabbing. its doubtful
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Yes, if you have an earlier stage, I would love to get it. I have a few different stages and would eventually like to get all stages. I would really like to compensate you for it, somehow.
Ha, still haven't received the other coin. Evidently, the USPS not only doesn't deliver in the sleet or snow or gloom of night but, now not on Saturday?
Edit: the RPM is slightly east but you would need a 10X loupe to see it.
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01/09/2022 3:09 pm
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Nice die chip on first 5 . Scratches and or chatter on shoulder and jacket . Reverse has something going on between right stalk and rim . Planchet defect on reverse above ONE .
MS-64+ very common date and mint , I would not send it in . With over sixteen thousand posts, I definitely trust your judgement. The way the copper flows toward the rim, kinda like a wave in the ocean, is that a sign of Die Deterioration and and the die is nearing its end? Am I correct in saying that a die chip is not necessarily an old die? It seems that a die chip could happen at any time? . As I am trying to improve my grading skills, I look up every PCGS Lincoln coin graded ms-67 that has pictures of course and a of them have that chatter on the shoulder. I have also seen a few ms-67's with a partially filled letter and a few with a die crack, this confuses me  . Besides looking for coins with luster and zero hairlines and zero post mint dings , scratches etc. What else can I do? |
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According to the latest Red Book, MS67RD sold at auction in 2014 for $470. Another one sold for $270 and a third for $170. Do you feel lucky? |
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Quote:According to the latest Red Book, MS67RD sold at auction in 2014 for $470. Another one sold for $270 and a third for $170. Do you feel lucky? I would feel even better at MS-67+ but only in my dreams |
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Is this the RPM you were referring to? I cannot tell if that is an RPM but, it is not an earlier version of RPM-002. The mintmark would have to be in the exact same position as the first coin you posted [the one you wanted a grade opinion on]. Based on that date, that could possibly be a very minor class vi doubled die. Looks like it might have MD. As for grading, die cracks and worn dies do not count off [AFAIK] because that is how the coin came out of the mint. Planchet issues can sometimes lead to a 'details' designation. It also matters what side of the bed the grader got up from in the morning as to what grade you will get. Grading appears to be more of an art than a science Edited by CentSation
01/09/2022 8:40 pm
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That's a beautiful coin, lots of character too. I like the die crack extending from the rim to the right wheat stalk and the ghost transfer on the reverse. Coins that look like this usually have blazing luster.
Coin lacks any significant contact marks. The fields appear to be frosty, a different type of luster from full cartwheel luster. The only issues I see are the reverse field above N and weakness in the wheat lines. It will come down to eye appeal.
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Quote:The way the copper flows toward the rim, kinda like a wave in the ocean, is that a sign of Die Deterioration and and the die is nearing its end? As the dies age, the devices near the rim start to spread toward the rim. It is a prime indicator of die stage for me. The more less defined and spread-out the Lincoln mottos are, the later the stage. Quote:
Am I correct in saying that a die chip is not necessarily an old die? It seems that a die chip could happen at any time? . That is correct. Even a brand new die can experience damage resulting in a die chip. However, they normally occur with extended use. Quote:
As I am trying to improve my grading skills, I look up every PCGS Lincoln coin graded ms-67 that has pictures of course and a of them have that chatter on the shoulder. The chatter is primarily residual planchet marks that didn't get erased during the coining process. This is a completely normal area of weakness on all Lincolns because it takes the most metal to fill the die. Graders don't weigh this area too heavily and consider it "as minted". Quote: I have also seen a few ms-67's with a partially filled letter and a few with a die crack, this confuses me. Besides looking for coins with luster and zero hairlines and zero post mint dings , scratches etc. What else can I do?[/quote] Filled numbers/letters and die cracks are normal mint occurrences. It seems to be the most prevalent in the 50's decade of Lincolns. I find this coin one of the most interesting in my collection. The 9 in the date looks like an eye!    
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