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I just receive, give from Germany by my brother. It is funny him brink 'it to me from there. The question it is: How I best categorize, and approx. to day market value. Also seem the date is not normal with the D strike of the year. Please take a look to 7 and 6. Left is mine the right it is from PCGS. Thanks.    |
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Looks like it was made in someone's shop or garage.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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On deform side will still see the rim.
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United States
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You can often see some detail left in elongated coins. This appears as though someone may have abraded prior (although I think I can see a "B" in "Liberty") to smashing a portion in an attempt to create an off-center strike. As for the date and mintmark, I don't see a significant difference between yours and the PCGS picture example except the obvious shine and reflectivity of the PCGS image.
As to value, I think you'd be lucky to get 1 cent for it.
Edited by PlumCrazy814
02/05/2022 2:44 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Looks like PMD to me, however it was done. |
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United States
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Looks like someone put it on a railroad track. Definitely PMD |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Note the outer edge of the squish? it looks like a flattened rim there. So it was squeeze between two pieces of flat metal in a vise. Not a mint error.
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Thanks to all for input. This coin come from "Munzen" with certificate. This it is the department of the Germany mint certifications. Ok they say it is a loose die with the missing 1/2 collar, happened 1 in approx. 3 mill strike, with cotation of MS 66 RB. This do not matter for me, because you here , see more then them can see. The other thing was the date, and them here was right. Quote:
Translate: Probably an date die adjustment . I finally do same photos for you for the date. What it is your chime on? If they was right, so some like this must be around. Sorry to reopen.  Edited by silviosi
02/05/2022 6:56 pm
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United States
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Silviosi here are some pictures of one from an uncirculated set, still in OGP cellophane for you to use to compare. I used different lighting in both pictures so you could have more than one to use. I think that your lines might possibly be off due to lighting but I am no expert on the matter. Feel free to edit the pictures with your reference lines. Also, please comment on any elongation details you can see on yours in the flattened area that may not be showing up in your pictures.   |
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I agree with this was PMD, the coin has been flattened. Went half way through a sheet metal roller? There's also some light damage on the high points of the design elsewhere on the obverse that are noticeable by the breaks in the brown toning. This includes the 7 in the date which looks to have been slightly damaged, subtly affecting the shape of the 7, hence the differences you see. On another note, the mintmark was added to the dies by hand through 1989, so their exact placement will vary from die-to-die. Quote:
they say it is a loose die with the missing 1/2 collar, happened 1 in approx. 3 mill strike, with cotation of MS 66 RB. I don't know who that is but very word of that sentence is inaccurate. If they are selling coins like that I'd worry that is a scam. |
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I just translate from German language, not really easy. The coin like the coin, I do not care to much about, but the date surprise me. I will try to take better photos. Maybe it is what I see in the hands, or maybe not. I will play with the photos donated by you and see.
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IMHO, Munzen got the grade wrong. Plain and simple. Not red-brown and not MS66. (See my marked-up image.)  IMHO, the top of the 7 is PSD. The 97 has evidence of being hit and flattened which means the metal on the 7 was pushed up and deformed to make it look like the angle of the 7 is different.  IMHO, the reason there is a thin area of rim left on the obverse, in the flattened area, is that whatever caused the flattening touched the coin after the rim was passed. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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But still PMD and no extra added value to this flattened coin |
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The mintmarks were added to the dies until 1989. After that they are part of the design of that year years dies going forward. (meaning, there are no more RPMs post 1990. If you see doubling on the mintmark, it is a doubled die, or Die Deterioration. depending on the die state) |
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