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Hello all, Just got a good amount of new rolls the other day, planning to do some variety coin hunting, instead, I got a bunch of new pennies and this coin stood out along with a few others ones. Based on past posts I made, I'm pretty sure there's DDD and MD on these pictures and was wondering if I'm right and if there's anything else going on with this coin. Here are some pictures: A pic of the full date  A close picture of the numbers  another close picture of the date's numbers  Obverse picture  Reverse Picture  Thanks for stopping by, have a good week! |
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I would have to agree with you on MD
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Thanks for replying Dearborn and offering input. Just MD? The MD I'm used to seeing is seen around the edges and is flat. What would you call the 2nd image of numbers that's to the right of the numbers (looks like it's emerging out and it's not totally flat), MD as well? or DDD? or some other label? |
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Some Die Deterioration Doubling. In hand with a loupe it would be better to see MD. I see the term thrown a lot just cause it looks like. The md is very distinct you'd be able to see the "extra metal". Like seen here  So no md on your coin lighting issues and Die Deterioration. On shield cents look for extra thickness first that's the main thing and then notching that's all for a doubled die.   |
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Thank you gorham_collector for the reply and informative post. For doubled dies, seeing double isn't necessary, just straight up thickness (compared to normal ones) and notching? With what you see, you surmise that it's "...no md on your coin lighting issues and Die Deterioration." So just to clarify you're saying it's only Die Deterioration Doubling with lighting issues? What's wrong with the lighting? is it too bright? I have the main microscope light and 2 other lights flashing down on the sides so the crevices, nooks, and such can be seen. Maybe, I should've posted a pic with more lighting options Such as like below: Here is just the ambient light with the microscope light turned off  Here is the microscope light turned on low-to-medium  Here is the pic of the penny with the microscope light all the way up  Edited by Houler
02/21/2022 10:11 pm
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Holuler your first and second pics there are good. Here's the thing once you start training you're eyes and notice what to look for the glare on the outside of the devices seen and or Die Deterioration won't matter bc you'll know what you are looking for and you'll recognize that as what it is not doubling. Well for the newer coins in single squeeze hub this IS the new form of doubling there are different classes of doubled dies. For instance the doubled dies I believe you and most will think of is the 1955 or 1972 characteristics of a doubled die. These are class 1 doubled dies which we won't see on modern coins 2010 so it's a whole new of having to understand what a doubled die |
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gorham_collector thanks for responding. Now that you mention it, I was looking for 1955 characteristics of a doubled die. It's good to be told that it doesn't exist on the newer type pennies. Thank you for getting out of your way and telling me.  I just read the other day that there are 8 Classes of doubled dies. Which characteristics can be found on the newer more modern coins (2010 and up penny)? I didn't see "Single Squeeze Hub" as an option on the resource http://varietyvista.com/25%20What%2...d%20Dies.htmAlso, thanks for letting me know the preference of the type of pictures to take, I'll take the low light/medium light pictures for future reference, moving forward. Edited by Houler
02/21/2022 10:44 pm
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Houler here's a great link https://conecaonline.org/the-9-clas...oubled-dies/ there's actually 9 classes. On shield cents I've seen classes 4,6,8,9. Now I'm trying to study the classes more so once I look at a shield cent I can say 100% okay it's this class of doubled die. I'm still working on it, it'll take time but it'll be beneficial in the long run for sure. |
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Wow, you could've just left me in my ignorance. Thank you soo much for the link, you and the link are greatly appreciated.
9 classes?! jeez, 4, 6, 8, and 9 for the shield cents, gotcha! It's good to be in the know, thank you for that. I could've been running around aimlessly long-term focusing on the wrong class of doubling.
Good on you for studying, I'll be doing the same, Cheers mate!
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Nice, super helpful, thanks!
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