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1964 5 Cent - Double Forehead - Should It Be Recognized?

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Just wondering if anyone has seen this type of doubling on the 1964 5 Cent. Very pronounced to the point where you can see it from 2 feet away with the naked eye. The cool thing is I found these in rolls, so I have more than 10 of the same. Is this accumulation on the edge of the forehead? Deterioration? I don't see why this couldn't be recognized seeing it's just as pronounced as the XWL for example... Thoughts anyone? I'll post my best one in the grading section later
1964-5-Cent---Double-Forehead---Should-It-Be-Recognized?
1964-5-Cent---Double-Forehead---Should-It-Be-Recognized?
1964-5-Cent---Double-Forehead---Should-It-Be-Recognized?
1964-5-Cent---Double-Forehead---Should-It-Be-Recognized?
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 Posted 03/20/2022  9:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add LCScoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And also if this is recognized, can the community please use the name "eight head" That would be great.
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What's an "eight head'? it looks like Die Deterioration from where it is and nothing in the legend. Maybe even a little of the design broke off a sliver. It's already in CaC.
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Eight head, as in double fore(four)head? Not a great joke Okiecoiner, sorry haha

My question I guess is what makes the XWL such a significant variety compared to something like this? Would ICCS for example attribute this as "Double forehead" and if not, at what point does an error become significant enough to be recognized (by TPG)?

Just for fun, we sent a couple in to ICCS for grading, and hopefully attribution of this variety - will repost in several weeks when they're returned.

Thanks everyone for the info! Just more curious about this, as I can only find user-submitted minor varieties, and none with such pronounced doubling.
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LC Coin. You has a very nice example of a Die Deterioration. I will explain: your double forehead "doubling" has two parts: out side and in-side and the borders are exactly what is happened on Die Deterioration, and in this case the die on this particular place lost material (broke).

Second : if was an DDO mean it is a master hub die doubling and will live traces on cross of the coin where you see the doubling (mean you take the diameter from your doubling and the perpendicular one also and look for doublings or marks).

I agree with OKI.
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Not a Doubled Die, also not a variety or an error.

Attribution for Die Deterioration is something most should be steering clear from IMO, some grading companies will attribute Die Deterioration, but that does not mean they should.

A doubled die happens when the Working Hub is not correctly aligned with the first hubbing impression during the creation of the Working Die, leaving the second hubbing impression slightly offset, tiled, or rotated enough to cause split serifs, notching, and separation of design details.

Die Deterioration is just from an overworked die that should have been replaced sooner rather than later, ALL dies WILL deteriorate over time, although kind of neat to look at, it is 100% common.
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