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Not a BIE.It is PMD. John1  |
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There has to be a die chip between the B and E to
be considered a BIE
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It does seem like the metal on the letter I has been smeared from a hit. You can see where it also got a little part of the letter B as well.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Agree, coincident bag mark.
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Agree with PMD on this one |
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A BIE is not an error. It is a die event. Part of the die was chipping off of the die. When this happens the die has a lid on that location. It may continue to chip as time it is used past this event. It could get worse with future strikes. But this is a die event, not an mint error.
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Yep, just PMD on the 'I' here |
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Looking at the altered 'I' on Liberty made me thing of an illustration: If you took a fresh banana and placed it on the sidewalk and stomped on it, what would you expect to see? Probably not a normal banana with foot prints on the rounded fruit skin. But you would see an flattened distorted fruit on the sidewalk. Some devices on a coin get altered post strike. What happens, they distort, showing metal movement in a direction. On this coin, this is what we see. Moved metal. On a BIE, the area on the field has developed a hip on that area. This may stay the same size, or enlarge with time. But the same happens on any void on the die. The missing area, (void) will show up on the coin in the shape of the void. This is a die event. So that die will continue to be making the same chips/bie going forward until retirement. Can get worse in time, but it never fixes itself. So on this coin it is coin damage, moved metal that was done after the strike. If was normal, until an event altered the coin. Hope this helps. CoopHome: Why is this not a BIE. The affected area is the same? |
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Quote:Looking at the altered 'I' on Liberty made me thing of an illustration: If you took a fresh banana and placed it on the sidewalk and stomped on it, what would you expect to see? Probably not a normal banana with foot prints on the rounded fruit skin. But you would see an flattened distorted fruit on the sidewalk. Some devices on a coin get altered post strike. What happens, they distort, showing metal movement in a direction. On this coin, this is what we see. Moved metal. On a BIE, the area on the field has developed a hip on that area. This may stay the same size, or enlarge with time. But the same happens on any void on the die. The missing area, (void) will show up on the coin in the shape of the void. This is a die event. So that die will continue to be making the same chips/bie going forward until retirement. Can get worse in time, but it never fixes itself. So on this coin it is coin damage, moved metal that was done after the strike. If was normal, until an event altered the coin. Hope this helps. CoopHome: Why is this not a BIE. The affected area is the same? Your example of a banana on concrete makes sense. As every member on the has told you, it's a blessing to have you participate. Trying to truly understand what you are saying makes me say "Yea But" The surrounding metal of the Lincoln would be about the same density of Hardness as you will. There is no evidence of any contact anywhere else on the coin. As I have used in a discussion before, the odds are astronomical that contact would be made just hard enough to cause this but do no harm to the rest of the coin if ever so slightly. just trying to picture the event in my head? As I always say someone always wins the lotto, so it does happen. |
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Imagine using a smaller shoe. The contact mark was from the edge of a coin that hit just the 'I' at a slight glancing blow. (Thus the smaller shoe comment)
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Chatter on entire bust holds it to 66RD . Anything going on with date and MM ? It may surprise you but now I can see it. Either way it was for me just educational. I am not interested in errors to collect. Just interested in the whole minting process. Thanks again |
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Imagine using a smaller shoe. The contact mark was from the edge of a coin that hit just the 'I' at a slight glancing blow. (Thus the smaller shoe comment) That gave me a better picture for some reason. Thanks |
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Great. I've accomplished my mission even better. So when searching, when see this again, then you can move on to the next coin fast now. just changed you Prop plane into a Jet. (Some reason the thought of the movie "Airplane" came to mind. (Remember they used the Older engine sounds on the jets on the movie. A small difference to some, but to others, they caught the joke a lot faster)
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