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1944-D Lincoln , Intrinsic Metallic Inclusion

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 Posted 05/20/2022  05:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stoneman227 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great comments all !
I posted this coin on a group site frequented by Mike Diamond and this is a quote from his comment.

"I can't rule out an intrinsic inclusion, although I doubt it's metallic. I think it more likely that this is a rolled-in contaminant. The embedded material doesn't look like metal -- even corroded metal. The material doesn't dive beneath the normal metal, as some intrinsic metallic inclusions do. But this is not a reliable diagnostic. The alignment of the foreign material with the "grain" of the coin is consistent with both an intrinsic inclusion and a rolled-in contaminant."
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Looks like a lamination that peeled off. Then chemical reaction like a car battery post corrosion.
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Update
A coin of the same date and mint , with a similar inclusion as my coin posted above,was posted on a Facebook group. With that person's permission I'll post his photos here to compare.
These two coins could have come from the same roll of coin metal.

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I like the 'rolled-in' assessment. Very interesting.
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Talk about sister coins! Looks like exactly the same thing and tend to agree with your hypothesis.
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I like it as well.

On the new coin, is that a whisper of an R inside the anomaly where the R of LIBERTY would be?
If so, the anomaly must have been there at the time it was struck by the dies.
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Looks like a splash of solder to me, but what do I know?
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Very cool to have found another, same year/mint. This is definitely one of the bright spots, of online forums, where you may have not ran across another, otherwise.
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It doesn't look like metal to me, even oxidized zinc. Since it is aligned with the "grain" of the coin, it's either a non-metallic intrinsic inclusion or, more likely, some kind of contaminant that was rolled into the strip. It's easiest to diagnose an intrinsic inclusion if the normal metal closes over it to some degree, or if the inclusion dives beneath the normal surface. This material appears to be fully exposed on the surface.
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Mr. Diamond
At the rim of my example, the coin metal does appear to close over the foriegn material.
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In addition Mr Diamond.
Look at the rim over the word GOD on the example that I spotted on Facebook . It appears that the anomaly has extended under the normal surface and appears again at the rim.

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That does appear to be the case. Then this would appear to be an intrinsic inclusion. Identifying the material would require an SEM/X-ray analysis.
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Many thanks sir for taking a look!
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Way to persevere and nail down an interesting mint error stoneman227!
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Many thanks CoinHI !
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