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how much silver is in a Chinese silver ingot? is it pure silver just unpolished or whats the deal with it? Thanks again in advance
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Tough question. I had a quick search over google and no tsatement of a constant amount of silver for an ingot.
As far as I know, "ingot" is a very general word for a mass of metal, just casted to handle easier.

Some pages mention that Chinese silver ingots vary between 1.2 to 60 onces.

I hope we have a member with more info on Chinese stuff.
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Chinese ingots, known as "sycee", were the primary means for storing and transporting wealth in pre-Westernised China. They were usually cast in divisions and multiples of the tael, the "chinese ounce", about 37 grams. The 1 tael ingots are most common. They are usually "boat-shaped" due to being rocked back and forth in the mold while cooling.

As I understand it, the silver fineness would have been non-standard, as sycee were not official government issues; rather, they were cast by private merchants. As most would have likely been made by melting down foreign silver dollars [:0], the fineness would be that of the source coins.

I can't post a picture because I don't have one, largely because of my "if it doesn't fit in a 2x2 I don't really want it" policy.
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Sap, thanks for answering Bryan1315's question. Yet again, I learn somthing interesting and new every day here! Mike
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here is one. so maybe 90% silver at best? The reason for me asking was because I was just browsing ebay and noticed everyother silver round/bar/chain/boatanchor what ever was selling for alot more then these 1900 grams ingotsmwhich was about 100 bucks. Another part of the question is 100 bucks for a 1900 gram ingot a good price? or should people just stay away from them at all cost

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LOOK AT THE SIZE OF THAT THING!!!!

Wowo!!!!!
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I know thats Y all the interest on my part
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1900 grams make 61,3 ounces roughly.
silver is 9,86 USD per ounce so 1900 grams of silver makes 604 USD if it were pure silver.
even if it has 90% silver content it would make 543 USD.

that's the theory, if you buy it at 100 USD, you need to have somewhere/someone to sell it:)
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Be careful buying this sort of stuff on ebay! I don't know about US ebay, but at one stage on ebay Australia we were being flooded with a whole bunch of cheap knock-off "ingots" from China... they were modern copies, and made of pewter, of course...

If you're buying from a reputable dealer who knows his/her stuff, it should be OK.
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Thank you for the heads up on that
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This one is better looking than most, but check the feedback - a few too many "not antique" and "looks authentic" positives.

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quote:

I can't post a picture because I don't have one, largely because of my "if it doesn't fit in a 2x2 I don't really want it" policy.



Thats funny outside a very few NCLT's I have the same policy.

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Bryan, I hope you are not looking for an example just because it seems cheap and might be worth as an investment. The reality is, if it is indeed a genuine syree, it is indeed worth a fair bit, but the real issue is, to find a genuine syree out of the flooded counterfeit market is *INDEED* a challenge, or rather, let's say you can't, unless you are willing to pay top dollars to determine it's authenticity.

Because syrees were so crudely made, any people who knew the know-how of how to make similar ones could pass them off easily as a genuine one. In fact, experts do make terrible mistakes and there has been plenty of such cases.
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